Guest KevinEndon Posted 16 October , 2006 Share Posted 16 October , 2006 Alfred Collumbell is remembered on a war memorial in Endon, he has a grave in Hanley Cemetery and he is not listed on CWGC or SDGW. He was discharged from the army as I have a ref for his SWB. His mic is on the forum. Could someone check him out for me please as I dont know where to start to check him out as the wife wont let me pay for a death certificate to a stranger. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 15 December , 2006 Share Posted 15 December , 2006 Got his Death Cert and he died of Bronchial Asthma, Pneumonia and cardiac failure. Alfred worked in the pottery industry and Bronchial asthma is a hazard of the job. TD says that this is a non starter for bringing him in from the cold but I would like to thank him for having a look at it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 16 December , 2006 Share Posted 16 December , 2006 Kevin Perhaps the imoprtant thing is that he's still remembered with honour in his community. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 26 November , 2008 Share Posted 26 November , 2008 Checked his pension record - his condition was not caused by military service ; however it was aggravated by it. I would resubmit this one. Can provide the relevant docs if necessary Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 26 November , 2008 Share Posted 26 November , 2008 In which case it's a goer..... Whose going to do it? I don't mind.... Aggravated is FINE! It's crazy that WE missed men like this one. How many more.... There are a few other casualties like this one which need reviewing in light of recent developments - heart disease, Kidney Disease etc.... Just looked at his service/pension papers - yes you're right Chris, he needs to be submitted on the grounds his death was Attributable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 26 November , 2008 Share Posted 26 November , 2008 I still have his D.C. if it helps Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 27 November , 2008 Share Posted 27 November , 2008 Kevin, Yes please (last week I spent £60 on the damn things). Thats very kind of you. A scan of the DC is fine. My email address is - clarkneil@hotmail.co.uk. I will add him to my long list needing more work. If you prefer to do it yourself, I'm very happy to provide advice and guidance? I have no wish to nick cases off the pals that found them! That said, this case won't be straightforward, I will need to make a good strong argument to have him accepted. All the very best Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 27 November , 2008 Share Posted 27 November , 2008 I will zing it over to you today. I don't mind who puts it through, its not about Neil Clark getting 300 non comms passed, Kevin O'Neill getting 301 through and John Hartley getting 302, its getting them through and if you have the knowledge to put the right words in the right place then by all means go for it. I wish you well. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 27 November , 2008 Share Posted 27 November , 2008 Jobs a good un then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 27 November , 2008 Share Posted 27 November , 2008 I shall update this thread as & when it's appropriate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 27 November , 2008 Share Posted 27 November , 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 27 November , 2008 Share Posted 27 November , 2008 Kevin, Could you send me that pic on email? I can use that in my covering letter... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 1 December , 2008 Share Posted 1 December , 2008 Can someone please provide a GRO reference for this chap? My Ancestry account isn't working as it should for some reason... COLLUMBELL A Private 16971 Alfred COLLUMBELL. 7th (Service) Battalion, North Staffordshire Regiment. Died 1919? Born 4 January 1883. Resided Wesley Place, Endon, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire. Enlisted Litchfield (Volunteered) 26 February 1915 (32 years 1 month). Husband of Florence Collumbell (nee Rogers) of Wesley Place, Endon, Stoke on Trent, Staffordsshire. Married Hanley 18 November 1906. Alfred and his wife had 1 child – Gladys May Collumbell born 18 May 1907 at Hanley, Staffs. Before the outbreak of war Alfred was a Potter working in the famous pottery industry in Stoke. Enlisted Litchfield as a volunteer 26 February 1915. Posted to 7th North Staffs. Landed Gallipoli (39th Brigade, 13th Western Division) 13 September 1915 at Cape Helles. Alfred remained here until he was seriously wounded in action – he was recovered to Malta with broken feet! After treatment he was recovered back to the UK where he was admitted into the Stoke-on-Trent War Hospital, Staffs. Discharged with Asthma 9 November 1917 no longer fit for war service. Alfred’s Service/Pension papers clearly state in at least 2 places – He suffered from Bronchitis before the war But that his condition though not attributable to military service has been aggravated by it. This statement is sufficient evidence to prove he died of a disease aggravated by war service. A straightforward approval. Service Character – VERY GOOD. Total war service – 2 Years 257 days. Awarded 1914/15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal. The Ministry of Pensions found in the mans favour and awarded him a full disability war pension (award number 168464). Death Certificate states cause of death as – Bronchial Asthma, Pnuemonia and cardiac failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hywyn Posted 1 December , 2008 Share Posted 1 December , 2008 3rd Qtr Leek 6b 214 fits the date on the gravestone. Hywyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 1 December , 2008 Share Posted 1 December , 2008 Thanks very much Hywyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 1 December , 2008 Share Posted 1 December , 2008 If Collumbell is given CWGC status what will happen with the headstone, will it stay the same or will a CWGC stone be placed on the grave but only with Collumbell's name on it. Kevin p.s. I am trying to track down a relative of Collumbell or Teece. Early stages but it would be nice to find a relative and let them know what we are doing for their relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 1 December , 2008 Share Posted 1 December , 2008 If the headstone is in good condition then it will stay in situ. The Area Superintendant will inspect it every 3 years or so and report back any damage etc. Minor works can be carried out on the private headstone to improve it's appearance. If the headstone ever needs replacing a CWGC pattern headstone will be erected in it's place or next to it. Obviously once approved his name will be added to the CWGC casualty index (Debt of Honour)... The pic above indicates that the private family memorial is in pretty good nick. Feel free to give them my email address Kevin. I have ordered his DC today. I hope to submit the case in the next few weeks with another 10 or so others that I'm working on. All of which at the moment seem pretty safe bets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 18 December , 2008 Share Posted 18 December , 2008 Got his DC today - Date Died: 1st July 1919 Died at: Nesley Place, Endon Occupation: Potters Mouldmaker Cause of Death: Brochial Astma and Pneumonia. Looks like a good one here, well done Kevin for finding him. I have added him to my next batch. Kevin - I have PM'd you. I will email a copy of the DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 5 May , 2009 Share Posted 5 May , 2009 Through Neils' efforts Alfred Collumbell has now been recognised by the CWGC and was approved on the 1st of May 2009. His name does not appear on the CWGC site yet and I hope Terry will notify us when it does. I know Neil no longer uses this site so I have sent him an email to thank him for taking it on and getting the recognition. Well done Neil a thousand thanks. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 6 May , 2009 Share Posted 6 May , 2009 Peeky Boo! GONE but not forgotten eh? Still keeping an eye on things.... YOU found him Kevin, I did the easy bit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 10 December , 2009 Share Posted 10 December , 2009 Through Neils' efforts Alfred Collumbell has now been recognised by the CWGC and was approved on the 1st of May 2009. His name does not appear on the CWGC site yet and I hope Terry will notify us when it does. I know Neil no longer uses this site so I have sent him an email to thank him for taking it on and getting the recognition. Well done Neil a thousand thanks. Kevin Does anyone know how long it takes from getting recognition to getting his name on the website. Alfred was given CWGC recognition in May, it's now 7 months later and his name still doesn't appear on the website. I have spoken to his relatives and they wish to have a little service at his graveside when his name appears on the website. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 10 December , 2009 Share Posted 10 December , 2009 Kevin I have it in mind that CWGC doesnt add the name to the database until "matters" are finalised about maintenance of the grave. It might be worth the family dropping them an email to see how things are progressing. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 14 December , 2009 Share Posted 14 December , 2009 The delay is unacceptable and ridiculous! Once the MoD approve a casualty the first thing which can be done is to update the site with the new casualty's personal details. That should take no more than 5 minutes bearing in mind the FACTS of this case. I do wish that others would STOP making lame excuses for a plain TARDY service - These people Remind me of a flippin Sloth! It would be funny if it wear'nt so important.... May I suggest that you get the family to contact Maria Choules at the Commission, if anyone will help it will be this fantastic lady. Maria has always helped me out in the past and she's one of the few there who I utterly respect and have a high opinion of. She can't put everything in order though, that would need the Director General! I'm STILL waiting for headstones to be erected 5 years after they were originally approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 6 April , 2010 Share Posted 6 April , 2010 AT LAST. Good afternoon Kevin Just thought I would let you know that I have entered the details for Private Alfred Collumbell and the website has now finally been updated. We have been experiencing some problems for a few weeks now and I think we have solved the problem. You should be able to log onto our website and his entry should be there. Our UKA office are aware of the grave details and added the grave to the current scattered maintenance agreement. Kind regards Name: COLLUMBELL, ALFRED Initials: A Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: North Staffordshire Regiment Unit Text: 7th Bn. Age: 36 Date of Death: 01/07/1919 Service No: 16971 Additional information: Husband of Florence Collumbell, of Stoke-on-Trent. N.B.: Recent research has shown that Private Collumbell is buried here. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Block 21, Row 4 Number 4 Grave 13209 Cemetery: STOKE-ON-TRENT (HANLEY) CEMETERY THANK YOU ONE AND ALL FOR GETTING ALFRED REMEMBERED. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Clark Posted 6 April , 2010 Share Posted 6 April , 2010 Kevin, Well done. YOU found him. I have 7 men who were APPROVED by the MoD over a year ago STILL waiting to be entered onto the Commission's website. This one (Collumbell) is the first one to go on after my considerable rants yesterday to the powers to be. I'm absolutely dumbfounded that an organisation that professes to act for these men allows this kind of thing to go on. It takes 5 minutes to enter a name on a database. No feeble excuses please - A plain TARDY service! The ONLY person I trust and respect at Maidenhead is that kind helpful lady Maria Choules...she's a lone star... I'm STILL waiting for the Naval Historical Branch to get back to me on an appeal case I submitted twice (after they lost the first one) FIVE years ago - HOSKINS H.F a sailor from Ashford. His private family grave and headstone were in such an appalling state that the local council (Ashford) kindly agreed to restore it to it's original condition. I understand his family struggled to find enough money to erect it in 1919. That disgraceful "shower" in Portsmouth originally rejected his case on the grounds he died of heart disease. The fact that he was given a FULL military funeral with Buffs trumpeters and a full military escort with 12 soldiers had no effect on the NHB. I have provided them with proof (twice now) that this brave sailor had Rheamatic Fever and that it caused his heart problems. It's well documented that 6% of war pensions awarded by the Ministry of Pensions / War Office was for men suffering from HEART DISEASE! How many others have they rejected who were suffering from heart disease? It's clear that sailors are treated appalingly by the MoD compared to soldiers. Well done to the army at least because they are quite rightly giving the man the benefit of any doubt. It would appear that the Navy are still relying upon lame idiots to adjudicate their non-com cases. It is my view that whenever they get a difficult case, it's just lost and then later forgotten. It's about time the RN funded the process properly like the army does and appoint a serving officer to oversee all navy decisions. The current mob at the "sloth like" NHB have no interest or proper expertese in this important work. These men should also follow soon - Approved Men STILL Waiting for entry on Casualty Index 1. RALPH G.F (Batch 3) Approved 2008 Stoker Petty Officer 300114 George Frederick RALPH. HMS Lowestoft, Royal Navy (RN). Died T.B (Tubercolosis) 9 March 1918 aged 34 years. Died at 19 Alfred Street, Chatham, Kent. Born 21 January 1883 Sittingbourne, Kent. Occupation on Death Certificate – Naval Pensioner. Husband of C.L Ralph of 19 Alfred Street, Chatham, Kent. 2. WEST S.J (Batch 4) Approved 2009 Stoker 1st Class K/19572 Sidney James WEST. HMS Pembroke, Royal Navy. Died 8 January 1919 aged 26years from Pulmonary Tubercolosis (T.. Born 13 March 1892 (St Mary in the Marsh, Romney Marsh, Kent). Son of Stephen and Ellen West of Brenzett, Ashford, Kent. Brother of Alice West of 3 George Street, Brenzett, Ashford, Kent (Present at death). 3. WEST J.W (Batch 5) Approved 2009 Private G/1431 James William WEST. 8th (Service) Battalion, The Buffs (East Kent Regiment). Died 27 March 1919 aged 34 years at Royal Victoria Hospital, Folkestone, Kent. Born 1886 Margate, Kent. Enlisted 7 September 1914 (volunteer). Resided 4 Rose Cottages, Peene, Newington, Folkestone, Kent. Formerly Mill Cottage, Lyminge, Kent. Later (1918) resided “Ivydene”, Station Road, Lyminge, Kent. Husband of Edith Clayson (married Margate 1911). 4. WHITE G.J (Batch 5) Approved 2009 Private G/2322 George Joseph WHITE. 3rd Battalion (Dover), The Buffs (East Kent Regiment). Formerly 6th Buffs (Cory’s Own). Died 8 September 1917 from the effects of General paraysis of the Insane (GPI). Died at Kent County Mental Asylum, Barming Heath, Maidstone, Kent. Born Swanscombe, Kent. Enlisted London (Volunteered) 9 September 1914. Husband of Mrs Emily Louisa White (nee Pullen), 13 College Road, Northfleet, Kent. Married 24 March 1913. Resided (1914) 134 Charlton Lane, Woolwich, London. His name appears on the Corys Roll of Honour Canterbury? 5. BRIMACOMBE F.E (Batch 6) Approved 2009 Private 38586 Francis Edward BRIMACOMBE. Headquarters, 650th Agricultural Company (Bodmin), Labour Corps. Died 28 December 1918 (Pneumonia) at Tucking Mill, Warbstow, Launceston, Devon. Son of William Augustus and Laura Annie Brimacombe of Verworthy, Near Holsworthy, Devonshire. Born 20 May 1900. Baptised 23 February 1914 at Sutcombe (aged 14 years) along with 8 brothers! Buried St Andrews Churchyard, Sutcombe, Devon. Grave reference not known at this time. 6. COLLUMBELL A (Batch 6) Approved 2009 Private 16971 Alfred COLLUMBELL. 7th (Service) Battalion, North Staffordshire Regiment. Died 1 July 1919. Born 4 January 1883. Resided Wesley Place, Endon, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire. Enlisted Litchfield (Volunteered) 26 February 1915 (32 years 1 month). Husband of Florence Collumbell (nee Rogers) of Wesley Place, Endon, Stoke on Trent, Staffordsshire. Married Hanley 18 November 1906. Buried Endon Parish Burial Ground, Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire. Grave reference – not known. 7. FOSTER F (Batch 6) Approved 1/5/09 Gunner 4243 Frank FOSTER. 4th (East Anglian) Brigade Ammunition Column, Royal Field Artillery (RFA). Formerly 4th Battalion, Lincolnshire Regiment. Died 20th July 1918 aged 32 years. Frank died of Pulmonary Tuberculosis (T. and Ostio Arthritis. Born Stamford, Lincolnshire. Son of Alfred (Alf) Foster of 3 Albert Road, Stamford, Lincolnshire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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