jay dubaya Posted 12 October , 2006 Share Posted 12 October , 2006 Hi, I have the daunting task of attempting to fill those black holes in our family history and I'm a little puzzled by the hat and badge of which appears to me, to be Scottish. (albeit I could be wrong!) My Great Uncle died on the Somme in 1916 and had three other brothers that would have been within the catchment age for enlistment. Any help to ID this soldiers uniform and badge would be much appreaciated, Cheers, Jon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- REMEMBERING WITH PRIDE Gunner 90230 Levi Woodhouse RHA/RFA killed in action 18/07/16 Bombardier 116599 Percival George Mogg RGA died of wounds 18/07/18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 12 October , 2006 Share Posted 12 October , 2006 Hi Jon, The badge appears to have the shape of the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, and I suppose that is what I would go for. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 12 October , 2006 Share Posted 12 October , 2006 Try playing with various photo-enhancement programmes to see if you can highlight the shoulder titles. It could be A S H - by screwing the eyes up and hoping.... Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 12 October , 2006 Share Posted 12 October , 2006 Jon Was he a brother of your Levi Woodhouse? There is an Arthur Woodhouse Pvte S/23871 of the /Argylls on the MICs. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macthomas Posted 12 October , 2006 Share Posted 12 October , 2006 I would agree with Arthur and Ian that it is an Argylls badge. So why isnt he in a Kilt, was this just due to shortages at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom A McCluskey Posted 12 October , 2006 Share Posted 12 October , 2006 Possibly convalescing. He is wearing a TOS, so it is later in the war and there would be no real shortage of kilts - it possibly came off him at a dressing station and he is convalescing. Also various sections of the highland regiments wore trousers for: training, fatigues and tasks (along with time of day) determined whether the kilt was worn or not. However, generally for walking out they would wear kilts. Aye Tom McC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pte1643 Posted 12 October , 2006 Share Posted 12 October , 2006 Agreed Tom. Possibly also an "Informal" photo, as he's not wearing Puttees either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 13 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2006 Agreed Tom. Possibly also an "Informal" photo, as he's not wearing Puttees either. What a couldron of knowledge you folks are...........this throws me of in all tangents, we are a Sheffield family Levi enlisted in Sheffield 1914 & has a regulars number? Arthur doesn't seem to match any family names (at the moment, but could he be a cousin of Levi's!) We can only asume that this chap enlisted in Sheffield, so why Argyll's? Did they recruit around the Ridings? I agree with the badge, quite a distinctive shape, but there's nothing more on close up. I also think he is sporting a wound stripe, but not sure about the s/t's, on close up they look like numbers to me. So where does this take me ( down the shed for more diggin'!) I thank you all for your time spent on this & hope to chat again soon, cheers, Jon ------------------------------------------------------ REMEMBERING WITH PRIDE Gunner 90230 Levi Woodhouse RHA/RFA killed in action 18/07/16 Bombardier 116599 Percival George Mogg RGA died of wounds 18/07/18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom A McCluskey Posted 13 October , 2006 Share Posted 13 October , 2006 Jay , Out of interest, how do you know he has a regular soldiers number? I know in the case of the Black Watch it would be almost impossible (unless you had a nominal roll of the battalion) to distinguish the difference between a TF and a regular number until the number was prefixed with the battalion number. In the case of the HLI, you could not tell the difference between New Army, Regular Army & TF. William Moreland in my signature has a New Army Number. Also, some of the best books about the first world war from the private soldier's perspective, in my opinion, are written by Englishmen in Scottish Regiments (Private 12768: Memoir of a Tommy - John Jackson, Haunting Years - William Linton Andrews). I think Jackson was from Carlisle and Andrews from Yorkshire (possibly Leeds). Reading these can give the best insight into the circumstances that made them join or become part of a Scottish regiment. Aye Tom McC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 13 October , 2006 Share Posted 13 October , 2006 We can only asume that this chap enlisted in Sheffield, so why Argyll's? Did they recruit around the Ridings? As the war progressed, recruits were sent to whatever regiments were in need, and after the disasterous experience of the Pals battalions on the Somme, the distribution of recruits changed from the purely regional. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 13 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 13 October , 2006 Jay , Out of interest, how do you know he has a regular soldiers number? Sorry Tom, the regulars number was refering to Levi, Gunner 90230 RHA/RFA , Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 22 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 22 November , 2006 Hi all, since this thread was first posted a few weeks ago I have found Arthur Woodhouse hiding on the 1901 census he was born in Sheffield 1895 (I believe the soldier in uniform at the top of this post, to be him) I have since downloaded what I believe to be his MIC. This is different to the one I have for Levi and would much appreciate some help in understanding what it contains, cheers, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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