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Silfred(Sife) Yale 1914-1918


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Silfred Yale was my father & was in the RRF (1914-1918) and later discharged with shrapnel wound. I know pretty much all there is from when he joined the RRF until he died in 1972.

The mystery to myself & my brother is to do with pre 1914. On his enlistment papers he shows his next of kin as a brother - C.Yale, just initial for first name. This brother was in the Royal Field Artillery, BEF, 112 Batn.,25th.Divn.C.Battery. Unfortunately his service number was not given and we have checked the Medals roll at the national archive, found Silfred & 26 other Yales but nothing to match with the above.

Dad is very much a mystery wrapped in an enigma to quote a cliche. He was born in 1893 in Wellington Shropshire and we are pretty sure he was born as William Henry Smith, as was noted on the bans for his first marriage!. It is the period from his birth for the first 20 or so years until he enlisted in 1914 that has stumped us for years! Believe me we have researched on Smith/Yale till we're almost sick of research.

This post is just another desparate and possibly futile attempt to unwrap this mystery. If anyone can help directly or with suggestions we'd be the happiest brothers alive. Thanks for reading. Dave

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Dave,

I wish I could help, but being in belgium, I can only think of the options we have in belgium.

Parish registers, old newspapers.

I don't know what you have to do to change your name in england, But wouldn't city hall have these documents?

I know witch city hall and where? In belgium they have it and they even know if you moved to an other city, but if you need that info to find some one, you realy need a bit of luck here in belgium, since the private policy, they are not alowed to tell, but there are always people who are willing to help, maybe it's the same in england

Or maybe thrying to find info on his parents could help

I hope you will find answers on your questions.

sabine

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if he was discharged , did he get a silver war badge ? If yes, have you these details ? The SWB rolls will tell you when he enlisted and where discharged

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Thanks very much for your input, but in those days many people just changed their names without any notification to authorities. Also birth details weren't always recorded! thanks, Dave

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Guest dave1946

Thanks for reply coldstreamer, just contacted my brother and dads medals were the Victory Medal & the British War Medal. Can you advise where to find the SWB rolls please. Thanks very much.

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If both he and the brother were named Yale, was it their father who changed the family name from Smith? Or is it their mother's surname?

What do you know about their parents?

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Hi christine, as far as we have discovered from several, yes several! marriages which Dad entered into, one bigamously!! all are documented with reference to his father as an Albert Yale and brother as C.Yale. there is no mention of him or any family other than what he supplied on various official papers. He only appears on his enlistment in 1914 (age22) as Yale and from then to his death in 1972. As far as tracing him via BMD records prior to 1914 there is no record of Silfred Yale. Such an uncommon name and we have tracked through Yales in all sorts of records with regard to the names of father, brother etc. but nowhere is there a record of Silfred prior to 1914.

Regarding the Smith name which, as I mentioned was noted in the bans of one marriage, to quote "the man Yale is William Henry Smith" this in 1932 parish records pencilled in by the then vicar. He married a lady called Edith Shaw. presumably this name query arose with regard to the bigamy charge. We know in his pension years he had to quote the name Smith to the pensions people with regard to a query on his date of birth, so it would seem he himself did the name change. When and why being a big question. He was not someone you could ask about his past. We know his brother was a Yale as he wrote a letter to the father of Edith Shaw looking for Silfred and this was passed on to him as he had moved to London by then, so we have not seen this letter, only the reply to the brother WITHOUT an address!! frustrating or what!

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  • 8 years later...

Hi Dave

I did a Google search on Silfred Yale and came upon this GWF tread about him. The reason for my response is that I have just bought his Victory medal on Ebay.

I buy medals to the Royal Fusiliers and thought this one had an unusual name.

I see the tread ended in 2006 so wondered if you had found out anymore about him?

Stephen

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  • 3 years later...

Dave, if you ever return to this thread please contact me as I have further info on your father

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  • 3 weeks later...

Hi Baden

Dave (above) is my cousin, though it is some years since I heard from him. I have been poking around in the more interesting corners of my family tree, and have compiled quite a lot of info about Sife Yale (known to me as Uncle Syd) from what I have heard from David and his (half) brother Syd Junior, as well as my own research. It is interesting to know that the Victory medal survives. If you have any relevant information, I would be pleased to hear. (I have seen the Service records available on Findmypast.co.uk.) When I have got a little bit further, I am planning to renew contact with David and Syd and share what I have.

Regards

Jonathan

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