manchester regiment Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 what medal is this man talking about. in a letter to his parents,pte john tetlow of the ashton territorials,9th manchesters says,i am told i am to receive two medals in a couple of days,one is for being part of the honour guard for the sultan on the day he was made suktan and the other with a BAR is for fighting with the indians at ismalia,i am one of only 16 men and two cpls who will get the medal with bar for this action.hes only 18 so its doubtful hes talking about a TF medal and its too early for the 1914-15 star,whats he describing,anyone any ideas,he was killed in a bayonet charge on the turkish trenches on 7-6-15,so his letter must have been wrote before this,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 not a mention in soldiers died as to an award Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 do you have the MIC to confirm a date first entered a theatre of war ? Ismailia is located midway between Port - Said port on the Mediterranean sea and Suez port on the Red Sea - what theatre is this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 I would suspect the Medal with Clasp would be one of the Khedive's Medals for Sudan [1910],for various actions before & during WW1,there where two Cyphers on this Medal as the Khedive was changed. Most medals were awarded to British Officers & to Indian or Sudanese/Egyptian Troops however a few British Men & NCOs were awarded this medal,especially that for Darfur 1916. The other award sounds like it may well have been a "Coronation" type medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 His age and death narrows this down a bit Sudan 1912 - unlikely - too young Zeraf 1913-14 Mandal 1914 Miri April 1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 just noticed many are patrol strength units - how bigs a patrol ? 16 men and 2 Cpl seems the right sort of size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchester regiment Posted 17 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 August , 2006 his battalion went to egypt in sept 1914,does this help,another soldier who received the medal hints at patrolling along the lines of supply for the indian forces,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 That leaves Miri April 1915 - unless the letter is pre ww1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 The only thing with these Khedive Medals to European Soldiers is that they are generally to "Odd" men,& he may,if it is indeed one of these have been attached,to the Force as an NCOs;Instructors,Officers servant,Signaller,etc;as no British Units received them per se,{A few RFC & ASC men did get the 1916 Darfur Medal & Clasp as small operating Flying Duties & Transport units,but that is too late for your man} He may well have been atached from his unit following their arrival in Egypt,the theare is rightt,as is the time. His Medal Index card "should" note any award of the Khedive's Medal,as would the Roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 A couple of ww1 Coldstream Gsd officers got medals for the 1896-1908 with clasps - Ive read that ORs got them too but not managed to find any rolls with them on it - just the officers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchester regiment Posted 17 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 August , 2006 i missed this bit,he says that 4 men from each coy and 2 cpls went to fight with the indians at ismalia,i think you could be both right about april,juggleing the info round would date his letter home as may 1915,he would be unable to write home while away with this force and he was dead by the 7th june,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 Hi Bernard I have had a look in the Lancashire Fighting Territorials for the 9th Batt, & he is not down, & i have look in the Volunteer Infantry 9th Battn history, hes in the roll of honour,and on the medal roll but on other medals then the Star, BWM& VM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchester regiment Posted 17 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 August , 2006 hiya roy.this is him pte john tetlow 2012 1/9th manchesters 179 edge lane,droylsden promising heavyweight boxer,he managed pte sammy bonsall when he had his fight with the champion of the south australian contingent in egypt,he knocked him out in 4 rounds. worked at messrs crossleys,droylsden,before that,he was a telegraph boy at openshaw P.O member of crossley lads club age 18 he was awarded a medal as part of the sultans guard of honour on the day he was made sultan he was part of a detatchment of 16 men and two cpls who went with the indians to ismalia and awarded a medal with bar for this action. he was killed in a bayonet charge on turkish trenches on 7-6-15 buried in redoubt cemetery,grave XII.B.6 he says that he is one of only 16 men from the batt who will get a bar for the medal,not all the batt went to ismalia,that was his last letter home. bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 17 August , 2006 Share Posted 17 August , 2006 Definitely an Index Card & Roll job; the Sudan Roll hopefully will clarify his entitlenent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 18 August , 2006 Share Posted 18 August , 2006 Hi If he was a young lad, he may have heard some of the old soldiers chating about medals to be issue for the War, and got it in his mind he was up for a medal with bar, and in hes enthusiasm wrote to his Mam & Dad, telling them he was up for a medal with bar. Cheers Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchester regiment Posted 21 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 21 August , 2006 heres another of those 18 men. pte frank goddard 1/9th 885 then 350071 union st,ashton on 19-8-1915 he was admitted to hospital at alexandra with colic and diarrhoea,he was reported as dangerously ill,he had been part of the section of 1/9th sent to act as convoy for the indian exp force while going through the suez canal, bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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