Jim Clay Posted 18 August , 2006 Share Posted 18 August , 2006 And can we please stop talking about it [Two Little Boys] as it makes me cry I can only think of the I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue "censored" version: Two little boys had two little [beep] each had a wooden [beep] etc, etc. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mruk Posted 19 August , 2006 Share Posted 19 August , 2006 I've just come from the Poetry section on the Classics thread, where I read 'O Mother of Mine'. It reminded me somewhat of the song Neil Reid won Opportunity Knocks with in the early 70s ['quivering lip and lower jaw'-Neil Reid, not me]. However, my question is not about Neil Reid [although, it could be], but about songs that have been re-issued or covered, which either pre-date or were written during the First World War. I'm thinking here of 'Sweet Sixteen' and 'Maggie' by 'Davy Arthur and the Fureys' [1981], and the one which Mike or Dave Berry released a year earlier, though whose name escapes me. [sunshine of Your Smile?] Any suggestions, please? Kind Regards, Dave [it's got to beat suffering 'Pop Idol'/'X-Factor'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Clay Posted 19 August , 2006 Share Posted 19 August , 2006 Mike or Dave Berry released a year earlier, though whose name escapes me. [sunshine of Your Smile?] It was Mike Berry* and the song was "The Sunshine of Your Smile" - spot on . Jim *Mike Berry, with the Outlaws, was a successful early 60s pop singer. Better known to a later generation as Bert Spooner in "Are You Being Served?" on t'telly. He was a Buddy Holly soundalike, and Buddy recorded "Wait Till the Sun Shines Nellie" - now, was that pre-WW1? Just checked, and yep, it was a US hit in the 1890s. More, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mruk Posted 19 August , 2006 Share Posted 19 August , 2006 Thanks Jim, Was Mike Berry the 'dozy-looking' one who replaced Trevor Bannister, and given 'Mr Grace' and 'Mr Grainger's' apparent [screen] age is there any military biog. on either? I've heard somewhere that 'Mr Grainger' was also the voice of Churchill. Regards, Dave PS: Is that a young Johnny Mathis, or is it my eyesight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Clay Posted 19 August , 2006 Share Posted 19 August , 2006 (edited) Was Mike Berry the 'dozy-looking' one who replaced Trevor Bannister, Yep, that's the one PS: Is that a young Johnny Mathis, or is it my eyesight? There is a slight similarity - but no, it's the late Arthur Lee, founder of 60s group Love, who died recently given 'Mr Grace' and 'Mr Grainger's' apparent [screen] age is there any military biog. on either? a bit of googling shows that Arthur Brough (Mr Grainger) was born 1905, and served in the RN in WW2; and Harold Bennett (young Mr Grace) was born 1899, died 1981. Dunno if the characters' war service or otherwise ever cropped up. Cheers, Jim Edited 19 August , 2006 by Jim Clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 20 August , 2006 Share Posted 20 August , 2006 I can only think of the I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue "censored" version: Two little boys had two little [beep] each had a wooden [beep] etc, etc. Jim Nice one, Jim. I have a week away and come back to THIS! I thought Two Little Boys was Boer War-related, but what do I know? And why has no-one commented on the claim in Jack Howarth's biog that Bantams were for soldiers less than 6 feet tall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walrus Posted 20 August , 2006 Share Posted 20 August , 2006 I always thought that Rolf's (pause to genuflect) 2 Little Boys was about the Boer War? I WAS Kaiser Bills batman.... Chris C At the risk of showing my age, I saw the above and thought of "I Was Lord Kitchener's Valet" by the New Vaudeville Band (Not a No.1 - I admit) BTW - "Two Little Boys" - I always get a Crimean War image Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Clay Posted 20 August , 2006 Share Posted 20 August , 2006 Nice one, Jim. I have a week away and come back to THIS! .... And why has no-one commented on the claim in Jack Howarth's biog that Bantams were for soldiers less than 6 feet tall? - welcome back. Hope your week was a good un, and that you found a palatable alternative to the black stuff. Haven't read JH's biography but I like that claim! Jim (I note sadly that the "I'm Spartacus" skit fell flat on its mush) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 20 August , 2006 Share Posted 20 August , 2006 And why has no-one commented on the claim in Jack Howarth's biog that Bantams were for soldiers less than 6 feet tall? What is there to comment on? It is true, after all. Welcome back - hope you're refreshed and ready once more for the rough & tumble wot is Forum life. innit John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 20 August , 2006 Share Posted 20 August , 2006 Jim (I note sadly that the "I'm Spartacus" skit fell flat on its mush) No, I am Kirk Douglas's son!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 20 August , 2006 Share Posted 20 August , 2006 No I am! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Clay Posted 20 August , 2006 Share Posted 20 August , 2006 No, I am Kirk Douglas's son!!! (Lovely story, if true. Lovely story if not ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 20 August , 2006 Share Posted 20 August , 2006 Look dont start that c**p with me, I am..someone get me the nails, I'll bring the wooden stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 No, I am Kirk Douglas's son!!! (Lovely story, if true. Lovely story if not ...) Funnily enough, so's my wife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 I thought I was the only person ever to dare speak the names of Rolf Harris and Roger Whittaker in the same breath without any sense of irony.... I've got it worse - I'm actually related to Rolf. The shame, oh the shame. Haven't read through the thread all the way through - anyone like 'Gallipoli' by The Fureys? I love that song. Great to hear another perspective on that campaign other than the perrenial Anzac one you get down this way. Oh, and 'Green Fields of France', also The Fureys and Davey Arthur. That one always gives me goosebumps, even if it does get a bit overdone. Allie trust British Paints - sure can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 all these songs take me back to my mobile disco DJing in the 1970-80's. personally I liked Cher's uniform on board ship 'If I could turn back time' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 "personally I liked Cher's uniform on board ship 'If I could turn back time'" But hardly regulation dress! Roxy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 It might induce more sailors to sign up if their female compatriots were to dress that way. Of course, the numbers of women signing up would most likely decline rapidly at the same time... Then again, that could be a good way to get those Dastardly Women out of the service where they [obviously, to some] don't belong. Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 No-one mentioned the naval bod in Village People Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walrus Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 <snip> Haven't read through the thread all the way through - anyone like 'Gallipoli' by The Fureys? I love that song. Great to hear another perspective on that campaign other than the perrenial Anzac one you get down this way. Is that the one also known as "And the Band played Waltzing Matilda"? ...Oh, and 'Green Fields of France', also The Fureys and Davey Arthur. That one always gives me goosebumps, even if it does get a bit overdone.... More properly called "No Man's Land' If the Gallipoli song is the one I'm thinking off, they were both written and performed by Eric Bogle (Personally, I think that he does a better job than the Fureys) although, I must admit I prefer the June Tabor version of "No Man's Land" to Bogle's. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 Allie, Of course, the (UK) military is an equal opportunities employer and so, if the option to dress like Cher on USS Mississippi was to be made available, it would have to be available to all. Not too sure if that's a good idea Roxy PS However, you are correct that some individuals wish; 'If I Could Turn Back Time'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 21 August , 2006 Share Posted 21 August , 2006 Is that the one also known as "And the Band played Waltzing Matilda"? If the Gallipoli song is the one I'm thinking off, they were both written and performed by Eric Bogle (Personally, I think that he does a better job than the Fureys) although, I must admit I prefer the June Tabor version of "No Man's Land" to Bogle's. Tom No, the Gallipoli song is about the Irish, nothing to do with Australians. Lyrics as follows: GALLIPOLI (M. Swan/D. Doyle) I remember the day it stands clear in my mind We stood down at Dun Laoghaire to wave you good-bye Your Ma stood quietly weeping, there was a tear in my eye As they sent you to Gallipoli to die Chorus: You were all that we had, your mammy and me When you marched head erect, you were proud as could be And it killed your poor me and it slowly killed me When you were blown to kingdom come, on the shores of Gallipoli Chorus We only got the one letter and we knew right away It said, 'Deepest regrets, your son was bold and he was brave' You were only nineteen yet your Mammy and I Let you go to Gallipoli to die Chorus You fought for the wrong country, you fought for the wrong cause And your Ma often said it was Ireland's great loss All those fine young men who marched to foreign shores to fight the wars When the greatest war of all was at home Chorus Actually, there seems to be some confusion as to when the song was written as Dun Laoghaire was still called 'Kingstown' during WW1. This song, and more specifically when it was written, is keeping us busy for some time now. Instinctively we think it is an anti-recruitment song from the First World War and therefore written between 1915 and 1918. The use of the name Dún Laoghaire is riddling though. At the time of the First World War this port near Dublin was commonly known as Kingstown, a name granted in 1821 by King George IV to honour his own visit to Ireland. In ancient times however the village was already known as Dún (Fort) of King Laoghaire and initially the Anglo-Saxons anglicised this name to Dunlary, or Dunleary. The ancient name was reintroduced after the Irish independence in the 1920's. Hence, is the song written between the Battle at Gallipoli in 1915 and the end of the First Word War in 1918 and used the authors the ancient - Irish - name or is the song written well after the First World War in the 1920's? My Irish history of the period is a little rusty, but I'm not sure there was actually much organised fighting going on in Ireland, really, until the Easter Uprising of 1916? Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 22 August , 2006 Share Posted 22 August , 2006 What is there to comment on? It is true, after all. Welcome back - hope you're refreshed and ready once more for the rough & tumble wot is Forum life. innit John I guess, you're right, Mr H: after all, King's Company, Grenadier Guards contains only blokes over 4' 6"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 25 August , 2006 Share Posted 25 August , 2006 I blame this thread. All right, partially this thread and partially the fact I've been not quite compos mentis because of flu. Today I went and bought a Rolf Harris CD. The only reason I didn't buy a Roger Whittaker one to go with it was that they didn't have one in stock. Of course, I told the shop assistant it was for my mother and pointed out that at least I wasn't looking for a Nana Mouskouri CD. (By the by, I'm not actually sure the assistant knew who either Roger Whittaker or Nana Mouskouri are.) Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 25 August , 2006 Share Posted 25 August , 2006 Of course, I told the shop assistant it was for my mother and pointed out that at least I wasn't looking for a Nana Mouskouri CD. Oddly, Allie, you're not alone. Some years ago, I had to purchase the official "Wham" calendar for a neice's Xmas pressie. I said to the attractive young lady behind the counter "It's for my niece, you know", to she responded with a very laconic "Yeah...they all say that". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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