welshdoc Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 This weeks bootsale found two items a Victory medal to 20220 William H Vickers Notts & Derby paid full Wack £15 but I hate leaving brave mens medals in boot sales. Also a nice Silver wounds badge B114049, no pin but for £3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 you cant go wrong for £3 - Id have got it too at that price - it could be to any one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 6 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Just done a CWGC search Pte Vickers was a casualty poor soul Somme 1916 http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=532458 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 vickers number is 20223 though on soldiers died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 He May also be a survivor of the DARDANELLES Campaign as 9th Bn were the only SF Bn to fight there vivkers number is 20223 though on soldiers died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 6 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2006 thanks for the information chaps, Coldstreamer-I think the 20220 number is correct as this is in the archives in the CWGC site and on the medal. Mark- thats interesting what a thought surviving Gallipoli and copping it on the Somme. As the number is a five digit do you think he was a regular terri or new army? Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliecoco Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Hi Gareth, Not knowing anything much about the buying and selling of medals, I wanted to ask a question. Now that you know Vickers was a casualty, would that make the medal more valuable, and worth more than the £15 paid? Or because its incomplete as such, would the value not be effected? Also say that 'one' had a done a full search, say at the NA for instance, and then more was available for that soldier, and the medal, am I right in presuming that the medal then becomes more valuable? Alie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Hello single victory medals to casualtys are around £25 plus depending on unit, date etc also, extra research could reveal nothing of interest..that might put off a buyer..i am amazed how many medals i have to men not once wounded in 4 yrs of fighting - STDs are about as common Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 6 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Hi Gareth, Not knowing anything much about the buying and selling of medals, I wanted to ask a question. Now that you know Vickers was a casualty, would that make the medal more valuable, and worth more than the £15 paid? Or because its incomplete as such, would the value not be effected? Also say that 'one' had a done a full search, say at the NA for instance, and then more was available for that soldier, and the medal, am I right in presuming that the medal then becomes more valuable? Alie. Hi Alie as Coldstreamer said the medal is worth more as a casualty but it is the interest and research that the find gives is more important, Ive never parted with any casualty item and i wont if I can help it. he will become a treasured part of my collection. Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliecoco Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Hello single victory medals to casualtys are around £25 plus depending on unit, date etc also, extra research could reveal nothing of interest..that might put off a buyer..i am amazed how many medals i have to men not once wounded in 4 yrs of fighting - STDs are about as common Ian Hehe, thanks for that Ian. So Gareth hasn't necessarily paid over the top then, which is what he thought he might of done. So if I was to be a medal dealer, then I would research each medal. If nothing of interest was found, I would say nothing, and just sell it as it was. (So as not to put off potential researchers). But if I did find that the medal was to a casualty, I would have all the photocopies from the NA that I could get? (To get more money for that medal). Is that about right? I'm not being critical here, just wondering and making observations. Alie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Hello I would guess dealers dont research all the medals they get - the time spent to check would probably out way the benefits found. And saying nothing - I wouldnt do that though , I would just list what I knew- something of no importance to one person could mean a whole load to another. To be honest, if I saw a medal advertised and the papers showed nothing of any note I proabably would not buy them - but only because I must be a bit more fussy these days with things outside my specific collecting field Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 6 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Hehe, thanks for that Ian. So Gareth hasn't necessarily paid over the top then, which is what he thought he might of done. So if I was to be a medal dealer, then I would research each medal. If nothing of interest was found, I would say nothing, and just sell it as it was. (So as not to put off potential researchers). But if I did find that the medal was to a casualty, I would have all the photocopies from the NA that I could get? (To get more money for that medal). Is that about right? I'm not being critical here, just wondering and making observations. Alie. Ohh cynical but thats what happens, but its the odd occassion when one finds an item away from dealers or EBAy which gives a chance for some research and a chance to post some snippets here. A few weeks ago i bought a discharge cert, which with the help of forum members I found was his only entitlement, its a buzz. gareth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliecoco Posted 6 August , 2006 Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Hi Gareth and Ian, Thanks for that! Its interesting. I too like looking around boot fairs and antique fairs etc. Although haven't had much opportunity recently. Always keep an eye out for anything WW1 related though, when I do go. As you say Gareth, if you get to spot a medal from a stallholder that might not of researched that medal, then the buzz if you do find something out afterwards, must be great. Ian, I always look out for any Coldstream Guards service records at the NA whenever I am looking at a reel. Will let you know if I find any. There are a few others on the forum that I think of whilst doing that, Annette with her 6th Shropshires, and Brian Talmers for his Ox and Bucks. Alie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 6 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2006 Hi Alie, also bought for the wife a triang dolls pram circa 1930! so its not all for me, infact I only go to hand over the cash! gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 8 August , 2006 Share Posted 8 August , 2006 Gareth, The Two Notts Derby 9th Bn Trios I have are both to soldiers who saw service in the Gallipolli/ Dardanelles Campaign. Their numbers are 17588 entered theatre 2B Balkans before 31.12.15 22933 ------------------"------------- on 8.9.15 9th (Service) Battalion Formed at Derby, 24 August 1914, as part of K1. August 1914 : attached to 33rd Brigade, 11th (Northern) Division. 1 July 1915 : sailed from Liverpool, landing Alexandria, and on to Mudros, completing concentration by 28 July 1915 7 August 1915 : landed at Suvla Bay, Gallipoli 21 December 1915 : withdrew from Gallipoli, to Egypt July 1916 : landed at Marseilles, spent remainder of the war on the Western Front Hope this helps Mark thanks for the information chaps, Coldstreamer-I think the 20220 number is correct as this is in the archives in the CWGC site and on the medal. Mark- thats interesting what a thought surviving Gallipoli and copping it on the Somme. As the number is a five digit do you think he was a regular terri or new army? Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 8 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 8 August , 2006 Thanks Mark thats very interesting confirmation about the battalion. It certainly seems more than likely that he went to Gallipoli as well but then to die on the Somme ! Doesnt seem fair at all and only 21, Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 27 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 27 August , 2006 This months buy is a Honorable Discharge certificate Its to a Welsh Gunner 348187 David Edward Lydiard Glamorgan Royal Garison Artillery. Not the most common name around. there was a family in Roath in cardiff and although hes not on the 1901 cencus I suspect thats where was from. No bargains today (£20)but at least hes got a good home rather than leaning against the rear wheel of a ford transit. Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 27 August , 2006 Share Posted 27 August , 2006 you cant get a bargain every day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveB Posted 27 August , 2006 Share Posted 27 August , 2006 Got a few car boot bargains today. Three WW1 fieldpost postcards for £1.50, and a WW2 memorial scroll to a merchant seaman for £2.00. Happy hunting all. You never know what you may come across, and the getting up early sometimes is worth it! SteveB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 28 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 28 August , 2006 Very nice glad you removed the scoll from the boot sale theres something so sad about items like that sold from the back of a car. gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanks3 Posted 29 August , 2006 Share Posted 29 August , 2006 Hi, I don't know how you chaps do it. I have been searching boot sales for years - 3 this weekend - and so far have come up with nothing. I must be going to the wrong boot sales or the people of Lincolnshire must be hanging onto their militaria!! Tanks3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 29 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 29 August , 2006 Hi TAnks get a second pair of well trained eyes, I look out for dolls for the wife, she saw the certificate ! I find something about 3 times a year. gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 29 August , 2006 Share Posted 29 August , 2006 I don't go to that many, but I've only ever found two things worth buying in amongst the acres of tat. One of them is a letter, which I found in amongst some old but uninteresting postcards: http://www.1914-1918.net/heroes/smith.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshdoc Posted 29 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 29 August , 2006 Best find CSM northen Ireland to a captain in the Cheshires and Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 August , 2006 Share Posted 29 August , 2006 We never had captains like that in the Irish army........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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