riflegreen Posted 23 October , 2003 Share Posted 23 October , 2003 Hi all , Have an interesting postcard of a Canadian soldier but can't identitfy the regiment , can't read the shoulder title , collar is a 3 over a bugle horn and the cap badge looks similar to Rifle Brigade . Thought it was the Victoria Rifles of Canada but their badge is quite different . The back of the card is to Mother & Father 6/7/1916 but the poor devil looks like he met a shell earler than that , left cheek is disfigured and appears to have a glass eye , also the first three fingers of the left hand are missing up to the first joints . Wonder if he survived ?. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERITAGE PLUS Posted 23 October , 2003 Share Posted 23 October , 2003 Chris Possibly The Brockville Rifles: See: http://army.ca/inf/brock.php and http://www.regiments.org/milhist/na-canada...nf/041brock.htm Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflegreen Posted 23 October , 2003 Author Share Posted 23 October , 2003 Hi Dave , Thanks for that , I've added a pic . Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Bulloch Posted 23 October , 2003 Share Posted 23 October , 2003 Hi Chris. Nice photograph the only Battalion's I can find with the #3 is The Third Toronto Regiment ( CEF ) but I think that would be a C over 3 collar badge there was also a 3rd Mounted Rifles and a 3rd Pioneer Corp. the badge in the photograph is very similar in shape to the Toronto Regiment badge but it is hard to make out. Best regards Rob. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182 CEF Posted 24 October , 2003 Share Posted 24 October , 2003 Can you provide a closer photo of the badge? Dean Whitby Ontario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflegreen Posted 24 October , 2003 Author Share Posted 24 October , 2003 Dean & Rob , Thanks for your help , see pic , close as I could get without losing too much definition. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Bulloch Posted 25 October , 2003 Share Posted 25 October , 2003 Still a bit hard to make out, but it looks like a Maltes type cross inside a wreath of some kind and a dukcal type crown on the top,very similar to the 1903 rifle brigade cap badge but this badge was only worn untill 1910 and it is a British Regiment, I can only find one similar Canadian badge and that is The Royal Rifles of Canada (Mazeas M13) it may be a silly Question but could he be a British soldier. Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 25 October , 2003 Share Posted 25 October , 2003 it may be a silly Question but could he be a British soldier. I don't think so. He seems to be wearing the Canadian pattern of SD Jacket (7 buttons) and the collar titles weren't really encountered very often in the British Army untill after the war. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordac Posted 25 October , 2003 Share Posted 25 October , 2003 Hi Chris: This is a simple yet distinctive pattern on the cap badge, so you'd thing it would be easy to nail down. My first thought when I saw the close up was it was a "Skilled Railway Employee" badge, but I think you can rule that out. Scanning through Babin's book on cap badges, the closest pattern is for the 57th Battalion. It's close but I don't think it's a match. Any chance of you posting a larger close up of the cap badge and right hand collar? Garth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Bulloch Posted 25 October , 2003 Share Posted 25 October , 2003 The collar badge should be the give away, #3 over a strung bugle. do we agree that this is a Rifle Brigade collar badge and the cap badge is very similar to the same regiment I have looked in all the reference books I have on Canadian insignia and I cant find a collar badge like this for 1916. I love a mystery!! Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflegreen Posted 25 October , 2003 Author Share Posted 25 October , 2003 Hi Rob , the Rifle Brigade did not have collar badges , by accident I came across a similar looking cap badge - the Bermuda Rifles ! , the postcard has made in Canada on the back and " Beaudry - photo Quebec " on the front . Looking at the collar badge it is possibly not a bugle horn but a scroll . Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordac Posted 25 October , 2003 Share Posted 25 October , 2003 Hi Rob: Will you please humor me and see if you have a reference showing the collar for the 57th Battalion; their recruiting district was Québec City. Many thanks. Garth P.S. I haven't forgotten the photos. Look for them this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Bulloch Posted 26 October , 2003 Share Posted 26 October , 2003 Hi Garth!! I have seen that particular badge befor, and what I remember about it was it was not like the other CEF collars as it did not have a maple leaf it was a fleur'd'lys (I know I have got the spelling wrong) with a scroll under and the motto I will find the book and get in touch with you. Rob. PS The BCHMS is having a show at #12 Service Battalion at #4 RD and Alderbridge Way in Richmond starts at 10 am there should be some nice displays there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broznitsky Posted 26 October , 2003 Share Posted 26 October , 2003 Rob/Garth: When I first saw the closeup, I thought it looked like a fleur-de-lis on the top. I possess a 57th Badge, but it is in Vancouver right now, my photo of it is in Ottawa, and I'm in Pickering today! Sunday night I will post the image of it for Banjo and us to consider . . . Pickering Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182 CEF Posted 26 October , 2003 Share Posted 26 October , 2003 It's not a 57th Battn. I went though all my books on CEF badges and I can't find one like it. I have seen one like this but it wasn't Canadian and I don't remember what it was. Unfortunatly I have no referance on collars so I can't help there either. It may be one of the many and little known prewar or 1920s units that sprung up and within a couple of years was disbanded. Remember in Canada we wore tunics like this until the late 30's Sorry I can't be more helpful. Dean Owen Whitby Ontario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordac Posted 26 October , 2003 Share Posted 26 October , 2003 Hi Dean: Thanks for confirming my thoughts about the cap badge not being the 57th Battalion. As you suggest, I'm wondering with the injuries the man in the photo suffered if this isn't a post war (circa 1920's) picture? Garth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflegreen Posted 26 October , 2003 Author Share Posted 26 October , 2003 Hi guys , thanks for all the trouble you are taking with this badge , the message on the back is definitely dated 1916 , the collar badge could have a crown, maple leaf or a fleur de lys on the top , very difficult to see . Notice that he also appears to have a built up heel on his left boot. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182 CEF Posted 26 October , 2003 Share Posted 26 October , 2003 With his injuries I don't think he could have joined a post WW1 unit. Dean Owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflegreen Posted 27 October , 2003 Author Share Posted 27 October , 2003 Hi all , Found a badge on e-bay, item 2199354862 - Royal rifles of Canada , in darkened bronze , could this be the one but in white metal ?. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
182 CEF Posted 27 October , 2003 Share Posted 27 October , 2003 I don't think so. I have never seen one that ws not in black. If it was a bit warn it would still be a darker colour. Dean I feel this is either a Non-Canadian Badge or he is wearing a badge that is somehow connected to the linage of his CEF Battn (longshot) either the pre WW1 badge of a unit that was formed from members of the CEF Battn after the war. Due to his condition I would think he would be an Honourary Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riflegreen Posted 29 October , 2003 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2003 Hi Dean and all have tried to identify the badge , thanks for your efforts , just one of lifes mysteries . Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul guthrie Posted 30 October , 2003 Share Posted 30 October , 2003 Speaking of Canadian badges, is the 87th Bn cap badge the same as British Grenadier Guards? I bought one of those at the Shellhole 5 or so years ago and if it's not the same I want to sell it and get Canadian one. Also would like to have 87 collar badge. What will these items cost? I am not a collector but would like to have these things because of Alexander McClintock DCM. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordac Posted 30 October , 2003 Share Posted 30 October , 2003 Hi Paul: Because the 87th Bn. (Grenadier Guards of Montreal) was a front line battalion, their badges cost a little more. On eBay Canada an 87th cap badge will start at around $20.00 US and might work it's way up to $45.00 US. Collars and shoulder titles will start around $9.99 US and end up around $20.00 US. Garth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul guthrie Posted 31 October , 2003 Share Posted 31 October , 2003 Garth thanks, I took a look and none were there. If you see these up for sale let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordac Posted 31 October , 2003 Share Posted 31 October , 2003 If you see these up for sale let me know. Hi Paul: Will do. Garth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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