redorchestra Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 Hello guys I was wondering if anyone could help me. My grandad died recently and while searching through his stuff I found these photos of my great uncle Jack Tomlin. I don't really know much about him but I'm trying to find out if he fought in the First World War or not. Could people have a look at these photos and tell me if they think his uniform is of First World War vintage or not? I have no idea what regiment he might have served in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorchestra Posted 14 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 14 July , 2006 Another picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 I am probably stating the obvious but the second picture shows that he has medal ribbons. Judging from the uniforms in both pictures these can only be first world war campaign medals. The first uniform definitely looks first world war but apologies if I am wrong. Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 Like Liam I think we're looking at a WWI photo at the top and a post-WWI at the bottom and looking at the cap badge would think it's probably Manchester Regiment. At the end of the war it wasn't unusual to find blokes signing on into the Army even after four years of mud and blood. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 Manchester Regiment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 This is the Manchester Regiments badge, but there was a slight variation if it was a Territorial Battalion, which made it slightly larger in size. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 No Jack's in the army at all. Five Tomlins in the Manchesters......may have been a nickname. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...mp;mediaarray=* Rgds Tim D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorchestra Posted 14 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 14 July , 2006 Thanks, every little helps! It is frustrating trying to find out more about him. He could be any one of those entries on the MIC, or none of them, as he appears to be a sergeant in both pictures but they are all privates. I assume this information would be entered on the MIC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 Hi Graham, Stephen, Like you my initial gut feeling was the Manchester regiment, purely from the shape of the cap badge. Also first picture presumably during / pre war and second post war because of the ribbons. Is there anything written on the back of the photos redorchestra? How do you know that it is great uncle jack? Any more clues? Where was he from for example. Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KevinEndon Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 Touched up a bit, hope you like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorchestra Posted 14 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 14 July , 2006 I know it is my Great Uncle Jack as another photo has his name on the back. Frustratingly, it says 'To my dear parents, from your loving son Jack 19-' then the rest is cut off! The problem is, that side of my family was involved in a fair amount of scandal. My grandad was an illegitimate child born in the 1920's, and consequently his mother disowned him for the rest of her life. Jack was her brother. I will have to try and find out some more, although at my grandads funeral it felt like I was opening up old wounds by prying, even after 80 odd years! I'm not exactly sure where he was from but my Grandad was born in Shoreditch so I imagine it was around East London. Privateparts, thanks for that, looks good! I like these photos as I don't have any photos of the one member of my family who I know definitely served in WW1 and whose medals I own. An overzealous social worker in the 60's threw them all out when he was moved into a home. You have no idea how much this makes me want to break something every time I think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted 14 July , 2006 Share Posted 14 July , 2006 Doesn't mean that he wouldn't have joined the Manchesters but the local regiment is usually a good starting point. Not sure where we go from here but I am sure that more knowlegable forum memberswill be able to come up with more. Kev - pictures look good. Looks like you are getting use out of that Christmas present! Good luck Liam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchester regiment Posted 15 July , 2006 Share Posted 15 July , 2006 the 1st battalion went to jaljulye near jaffa,palestine after the war,the second picture looks like it was taken after the war,he may have been promoted just after the war when the medal rolls had been completed,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta Posted 15 July , 2006 Share Posted 15 July , 2006 The shorts, light and tentage in the second picture certainly made me think he was in the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Watch Posted 19 July , 2006 Share Posted 19 July , 2006 Many people known as Jack were christened John. No idea why, but maybe thats the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pettsy Posted 23 July , 2006 Share Posted 23 July , 2006 My gg uncle was born and living in Fulham, Lonodn, and he was with the Linc Reg. Pettsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 24 July , 2006 Share Posted 24 July , 2006 If he served after WW1 then I guess his army service records will still be held by the MOD? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 24 July , 2006 Share Posted 24 July , 2006 Any of these from your family? This is from the 1901 census - I think the majority are Bromley, East London, rather than Kent. There is an 8 year old John (Jack was a customary knick-name for John). Ian +++ James Tomlin 54 Canterbury England London Bromley Stoker Gas Works Rosetta Tomlin 46 Dover England London Bromley Charles Tomlin 21 Bromley London London Bromley Labourer Iron Works Harriet Tomlin 18 Bromley London London Bromley Coffee Shop Assistant Hanry Tomlin 16 Bromley London London Bromley Telegraph Messenger Edward Tomlin 13 Bromley London London Bromley John Tomlin 8 Bromley London London Bromley Clara Tomlin 6 Bromley London London Bromley May Tomlin 5 Bromley London London Bromley George Tomlin 2 Bromley London London Bromley Rose Tomlin 34 London Kensington Kent Bromley Cook Domestic Alice Tomlin 26 Sittingbourne Kent Of Kent Bromley Housemaid Domestic Ansell P Tomlin 17 London London Bromley Printer Joseph Tomlin 42 I Of W Cowes London Bromley Under Taker Emily Tomlin 42 Devon Kingsbridge London Bromley Lydia Tomlin 15 London Bromley London Bromley Fred Tomlin 10 London Bromley London Bromley Ruby Tomlin 2 London Bromley London Bromley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIDMED Posted 27 July , 2006 Share Posted 27 July , 2006 Many people known as Jack were christened John. No idea why, but maybe thats the case here. Hello boys My father was christened John and on all his army papers he is referred to as John, but throughout his life was known informally by all as Jack........ He told me a long time ago in times gone by the Anglican clergy refused to recognise Jack as a Christian name as it was working class slang for John, If this is indeed true I’m unsure... Best Tom..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fuller Posted 27 July , 2006 Share Posted 27 July , 2006 The shorts, light and tentage in the second picture certainly made me think he was in the Middle East. I agree - have seen that "look" so many times when researching the 5th Beds in Palestine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fuller Posted 27 July , 2006 Share Posted 27 July , 2006 Jack as a Christian name as it was working class slang for John, If this is indeed true I’m unsure... Yep! My Gramps was Stanley John, known as Jack all his life after the John part of his name (if you followed that? ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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