Derek Robertson Posted 9 July , 2006 Share Posted 9 July , 2006 Sue, Thank you for that - it's nice to have a forename for her as she was only referred to as Nurse Bertram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonym Posted 9 July , 2006 Share Posted 9 July , 2006 Sue Thanks for the BJN Browse bit. I didn't find it under that but eventually under R.C.N. Archives. I have been trawling through he Nursing Record from page 1. 1888. Can you explain something? Page 78 has a piece suggesting that a Military Division of the R.R.C be instituted for military nurses. Page 79 carries a tribute to a Mrs George Fox who died, at Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth, of wounds sustained at Bronker's Drift, Transvaal, while nursing the wounded. On the understanding that British Military Nursing traces its origins back to Princess Christians Army Nursing Service Reserve (Boer War). In what capacity were the Military Nurses of 1888 employed? Were they civilian nurses employed by the War Office? Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 9 July , 2006 Author Share Posted 9 July , 2006 On the understanding that British Military Nursing traces its origins back to Princess Christians Army Nursing Service Reserve (Boer War). In what capacity were the Military Nurses of 1888 employed? Were they civilian nurses employed by the War Office? Tony British military nursing goes back a lot further than the Boer War. It had it's origins in the post Crimea period of the late 1850s, and the Army Nursing Service started with six nurses being employed at Woolwich in 1861, and another six at Netley when it opened in 1863. The service remained fairly small until it was re-organised in 1883, when steady expansion started. The Army Nursing Reserve [Princess Christian Reserve] was a separate service from 1897, with women being employed under different conditions, and with no official link to the Army Nursing Service. Re Mrs. Fox - she was a civilian with no apparent connection to either the ANS or the PCANSR. There was little control at that time over how many women turned up to 'nurse' the wounded, or whether they had qualifications or experience, and it was the Boer War experience that led to the reorganisation of the ANS at that time, and the formation of a larger service [QAIMNS] in 1902, to provide adequate professional nursing care for the Army in the future [although not to detract from any action Mrs. Fox might have been involved in!] The women who worked in the Army Nursing Service, Queen Alexandra's Imperial Nursing Service, and the Princess Christian Reserve were all civilians, working under contracts with the War Office from the earliest times until the 1940s, when the 'service' became a Corps of the British Army - I use the word 'contracts' loosely, as the method of appointment changed a lot over the whole period, but 'control' if not actual 'contract'. Sue [Getting too late now for brain to function properly!] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonym Posted 9 July , 2006 Share Posted 9 July , 2006 Thanks Sue, After 104 pages my brain is about the same. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalredcross Posted 11 July , 2006 Share Posted 11 July , 2006 A detachment of the 2nd Connaught Rangers escorting a wagon train nearly a mile in length from Leydenburg to Pretoria was attacked in the open by a Boer Force which greatly outnumbered them. In one of the wagons were three women, Mrs. Marion Smith widow of the late Bandmaster, returning to England with her two children, Mrs. Fox wife of the Serjeant Major and Mrs. Maistre wife of the Orderly Roon Clerk. Mrs. Fox was hit and quite seriously wounded almost immediately but the other two women rendered first aid to the wounded under constant fire and comforted the dying. Mrs. Smith was grazed on the ear by a Boer bullet. The surrender of the unit resulted in all three women being taken prisoner and remaining in Boer hands for some three months. Here they continued their services to the men of their regiment, even the wounded Mrs. Fox doing what she could to help. On their return to England Mrs. Smith was awarded the Life Saving Medal of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem. After the RRC had been instituted in 1883 and retrospective awards were being considered, all 3 of these ladies were put forward but it was not possible to make the award as the Royal Warrant of the RRC referred only to "nurses" and "ladies". As you can see, these 3 were not qualified nurses nor, by reason of their status, could they be ladies. This, in 1884, gave rise to an amendment to the Warrant and Maistre and Fox were awarded the RRC. Mrs. Fox died at Cambridge Barracks in 1888. By 1884, however, the whereabouts of Mrs. Smith had become unknown and she did not receive the RRC. The publication of her deeds many years later in a girls' book Noble Deeds of the World's Heroines, led to her discovery (remarried and now Mrs. Jeffreys) and she received the RRC in 1905, some 25 years after the deed which gave rise to her recommendation. Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonym Posted 11 July , 2006 Share Posted 11 July , 2006 Thanks for that Norman adds a bit more colour to my records. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilbr Posted 4 December , 2006 Share Posted 4 December , 2006 Sue - can you please advise if you have a Dr Adeline Herbert Campbell in your lists and where and when she features? Many thanks Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalredcross Posted 5 December , 2006 Share Posted 5 December , 2006 Query not addressed to me but my records show that Dr. Adeline H. CAMPBELL served at Kragievitz from 12 December 1914 to June 1915. She was awarded the St. Sava 5th class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilbr Posted 5 December , 2006 Share Posted 5 December , 2006 Many thanks! Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Hello, Can you tell me if a Scottish Nurse called Jessie Spittal ever served with the SWH? I know she did serve on the Maccedonian/Salonika front. She appears to have been at first awarded the ARRC and then the RRC. she was also MID'ed 3 times. I can't seem to find her file on the On line search at KEW. I have search the RCN database though, it did not turn up too much. Many thanks, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 19 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Stewart Every reference to her (BJN, LG etc.) shows that she was a member of the Territorial Force Nursing Service, attached to one of the Scottish General Hospitals (TF), so I don't think there's a possibility of her serving with the SWH. Unfortunately a percentage of the nurses' service files no longer survive at TNA, and the TFNS possibly more affected that QAIMNS - just the (bad) luck of the draw. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Hello Sue, Thank you for you speedy reply. Do you know if the medal rolls show which unit a nurse served in? I have only ever seen the medal rolls for soldiers and they usually show which regiments and battalions people served with. Many thanks once again, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petestarling Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 There is a Jessie Spittel file at TNA under WO399 14649 Pete Starling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 19 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Well spotted Pete - I missed that one (my excuse is too much Christmas shopping!). Almost certainly hers, and should help. Stewart - this is her entry in the RRC Register, for her RRC award in 1918. I've had to crop it because of size, but email me if you'd like the whole page. The reference is WO145/1 page 416. No it's not, as can't upload images with the new server yet - I'll send it if it's of any use Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 19 December , 2007 Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Hello Sue and Pete, Thank you both very much for your help. I thought I had tried all of the variations of her surname through the search engine! I was not aware that there was an RRC register, does it list which Hospital the recipient worked in? All very interesting stuff. Thanks both once again, Stewart Oh, forgot to ask, Sue, do you still have my email address, or do you want me to PM it to you. Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 19 December , 2007 Author Share Posted 19 December , 2007 Stewart Yes, I've found your address - I'll send the page now. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr.ktrha Posted 20 December , 2007 Share Posted 20 December , 2007 Hello Sue, Thank you very much for your email. It is always great to see images of original documents. Also, thank you very much for your kind offer, that would be great. Regards, Stewart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandpa's girl Posted 3 April , 2008 Share Posted 3 April , 2008 I have just found this posting and have details of various staff ( addresses also) from when my Great aunt, Sister Margaret Crowe, was over with the SWH. She was in Mladavectz ( sp off the top of my head!), Kragievitz and somewhere else beginning with K that I can't remember at present. She nursed Nurse Toughill until she died ( she had fractured her skull in an accident) and I also have details of her funeral ( she died at 0420 hours and was buried at 1630). My g.aunt had also been in the vehicle when it went over the embankment but she was the only one to be unharmed, due to her coils of hair acting as a shock absorber. I further have photographs of Augusta Minshill with 2 American nurses and a doctor and also of her grave as she died of fever, I believe. I have a lot of my g.aunt's photographs taken whilst in Serbia and then from her return to Russia with Elsie Inglis in 1916. I have downloaded columns from the Scotsman archives of the Serbian nurses and their achievements and I have photographs of the presentationof the Elsie Inglis bust to the Scottish portrait Gallery in 1918. One of the photographs shows a guard of honour comprising nurses and staff from SWH. If anyone wants details, addresses etc, please feel free to contact me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 4 April , 2008 Share Posted 4 April , 2008 I am keenly interested and will contact you off forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rondag Posted 8 August , 2008 Share Posted 8 August , 2008 The resurrected thread on Elsie Inglis jogged my brain, and I remembered that I had acquired lists of members of the SWH, if anybody needs a look-up of any particular name. They include all grades of staff - doctors, nurses, dispensers, orderlies, masseuses etc., and give full name, unit within SWH, position held and dates of service. The lists are: 1. Members who served in Ajaccio, Corsica 2. Members who served at the Abbaye de Royaumont 3. Those who served with the Girton and Newnham Unit The three above seem to cover those units for the duration of the war [or at least, the duration of their involvement]. 4. Serbia - up to February 1916 There is also a Roll of Honour, and a report of the work of the SWH for 1916. Sue I am looking for information on a great aunt named Miss Maud Winstanley (1879-1956) whom I believe to have served in France in WW1 as a nurse. I have recently been loaned a coloured pencil sketch of her in nurses uniform with a hand written dedication "a Miss Winstanley Sister-Chef Hospital de Royaumont signed Sargent 1917". Family hearsay also suggests that she was decorated, possibly by the French authorities, have you any record of this ? Rainford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RosemaryAckroyd Posted 13 August , 2008 Share Posted 13 August , 2008 Hi Neil - if you're still there after all this time! My first post. A family connection of mine - her late husband was the niece of of Adeline Herbert Campbell. I spoke to her last night & she has been going through Adeline's family papers in the last few days. So I was curious about your interest in her. Best wishes Rosemary Ackroyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted 13 August , 2008 Share Posted 13 August , 2008 A bit of a nerve I know but these are the casualties of the SWH. If you find anything on these I would be most grateful. Forget Elsie Inglis as she is well recorded. In particular home addresses would be helpful and full first names where I have initials. But any tit bits will do. Thanks, Jim BURT, Mary A de Burgh CATON, Florence Missouri DUNLOP, Jessie H.L. EARLE, Agnes Kerr FANNIN, Teresa FRASER, Madge Neil GRAY, Mary Sutherland Brown GUY, Alice Annie INGLIS, E.M. Dr (founder) JORDAN, Louisa LEIGHTON, Clara McDOWELL, Matilda MINSHULL, Augusta SMITH, Olive SUTHERLAND, Bessie G. TOUGHILL, Caroline Macdonell F.E. UNDERWOOD, E.J. Mrs Teresa Fannin was lost in the sinking of SS Leinster in Oct 1918 on her way to Royaumont and she never served there. Mary Gray died of complications following an operation for appendicitis. Aye Malcolm . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 14 August , 2008 Share Posted 14 August , 2008 Teresa Fannin was lost in the sinking of SS Leinster in Oct 1918 on her way to Royaumont and she never served there. Mary Gray died of complications following an operation for appendicitis. Aye Malcolm . Thank you, Malcolm. Since the posting I had found out what you have provided but I am grateful, nevertheless. What is a bit of a puzzle is that Teresa Fannin shows in some records as J.M. Fannin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jcmartin Posted 13 March , 2009 Share Posted 13 March , 2009 SWH request. Hi Sue and others, my first message. I'm reseraching my Grandmother Helen Borthwick and her best friend Muriel Orr Patterson. Both servied with SWH as Cook and ambulance driver as well as Orderlies at hospitals in France and Salonika. I'd be grateful for any information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalredcross Posted 15 March , 2009 Share Posted 15 March , 2009 PATERSON Muriel Frances ORR- Served as an Orderly with the Girton and Newnham Unit from 25.5.15 – 14.4.16 and 7.16 – 5.17 Awarded Cross of Mercy and Medaille des Epidemies Bronze BORTHWICK Helen Served as an Orderly with the Girton and Newnham Unit from 10.15 – 5.17 Awarded Cross of Mercy and Medaille des Epidemies Bronze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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