plattyuk Posted 25 May , 2018 Share Posted 25 May , 2018 Ray was briefly remobilised in 1921 when we was a Private in the 5th Durham Light Inf, he gave his occupation as Chemist and previous service as a Lieutenant in the RE Special Companies. The pages are poor quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 25 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2018 (edited) mark Yes, I have his post-war attestation above. Does it mention service the Royal Fusiliers? I suspect he is the same man however. TR Edited 25 May , 2018 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plattyuk Posted 25 May , 2018 Share Posted 25 May , 2018 (edited) Terry, no no mention in his paperwork for the RF. It is on his MIC. I have his Gazette page for his commission, he was General List attached Royal Fusiliers then his subsequent transfer to the RE. Prior or to that the London University OTC. Mark Edited 25 May , 2018 by plattyuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 25 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2018 Mark, then it is the right man. "O" Company war diary is available from TNA for £3-50. I will get back to you with some information about the Special Factory Section, a bit late for me now. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaJohn Posted 26 May , 2018 Share Posted 26 May , 2018 Terry My apologies if we have been here before but I am returning to this after several years and a total system crash. My father, L/Cpl 128860 Joseph (Jim) Lines MM (1889-1972), served with ['F'?] 4 Spec Coy RE and was disabled in late 1917. Have we corresponded please - you are not in my address book but it may have been through this forum? Regards John (Lines) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 26 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2018 10 hours ago, ParaJohn said: Terry My apologies if we have been here before but I am returning to this after several years and a total system crash. My father, L/Cpl 128860 Joseph (Jim) Lines MM (1889-1972), served with ['F'?] 4 Spec Coy RE and was disabled in late 1917. Have we corresponded please - you are not in my address book but it may have been through this forum? Regards John (Lines) John We have not corresponded, but you did send me some information about Joseph Lines. Is there anything I can do to help? TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 26 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2018 13 hours ago, Terry_Reeves said: Mark, then it is the right man. "O" Company war diary is available from TNA for £3-50. I will get back to you with some information about the Special Factory Section, a bit late for me now. TR Mark Send me a PM with your email address and I will send you some material on the Special Factory Section. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaJohn Posted 26 May , 2018 Share Posted 26 May , 2018 1 hour ago, Terry_Reeves said: John We have not corresponded, but you did send me some information about Joseph Lines. Is there anything I can do to help? TR Thank you for the prompt response Terry. I am belatedly trying to piece together where and how my father received the injury that led to his discharge. I have his MM which indicates "4 Spec Coy R.E". I have the War Diary for "F Spec Coy" at St Idesbalde on 17 Jul 1917 which mentions the authority for his MM was dated 10 Jun 1917. I have a photograph which my father endorsed with "16 Oct 1917 France". He arrived back in the UK on 28 Jan 1918 and was discharged "Unfit for Duty" on 18 Apr 1918. I have no information about the circumstances of the MM award and have no idea what he was doing or where he was doing it between 17 Jul 1917 (when I assume he was with the unit at St Idesbalde) and his arrival in the UK on 28 Jan 1918. From Australia I am totally reliant on what I can discover on the Internet - apart from the medal card, his military record did not survive and there seems to be no pension record. Given your formidable knowledge of the subject can you suggest please (a) the chances of finding further information and (b) where I should start digging by email? I really appreciate your interest and should mention that this renewal has been sparked by the theme for the December 2018 edition of 'Suffolk Roots' which calls for articles on the aftermath of WW1. I know how my father handled it but not how he received his crippling injuries. He never talked about the war although he did mention the effort involved in moving a 'Stokes Mortar' I recall. I have ordered 'Chemical Soldiers' today but it will not arrive in Oz until mid-June and I do not know how much help the book will be. Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 26 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 26 May , 2018 (edited) John The promulgation of the award appears in the routine orders of the Canadian Corps on 13 July 1917 (A & Q Diary) WO95/1055/6. This is available to download from the National Archives. Although it not give any details it does confirm he was actually with F Special Company. I will have a look at F Company diary and see if anything more can be be deduced. TR Edited 26 May , 2018 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaJohn Posted 27 May , 2018 Share Posted 27 May , 2018 Many thanks Terry. I do not know how I missed that reference but it is further confirmation for which I am grateful. If you can find anything in the F Coy diary covering the latter half of 1917 I would be most interested. Did I send you photographs as I have several (mostly without annotation and therefore less informative) if you want copies. Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 27 May , 2018 Author Share Posted 27 May , 2018 John Many thanks for the offer of photographs, I would be interested to see them. I will send you my email address> TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo mcguire Posted 21 June , 2018 Share Posted 21 June , 2018 On 25/05/2018 at 14:37, brianmorris547 said: Leo Please see the above casualty list posted by GWF 1967 which in post 894 purports to show, if I read it correctly, that the last name on it is 130154 Anthony Mcguire. In January this year I sent Terry the names of the Special Brigade men on this list and I did not find A Mcguire. The last name on the list I read as 130434 Pnr Noble A - RE Depot Coy Special - Incised wound R Hand. This is confirmed by the Service Record of 130434 Austin George Noble of the RE Experimental who suffered an injury to the index finger of his right hand in December 1916 and was treated in No 10 General Hospital (in his words). Brian EDIT: I checked FMP with "Engineers" in the keyword box and 130154 in the Soldier number. It coes back with a hit but just shows a question mark, which means that the document has a name which is obscured or unreadable. I will check it when next at the library unless another Forum Member can confirm that it relates to A Mcguire. EDIT 2: I checked 130154 on FMP today and it came back with the Casualty List HA 5981 as above, but the number is not 130154 it is definitely 130434 which is A Noble. The original is in the Service or Pension record of 11588 William Ford, South Staffs, according to FMP. A FMP check on 130434 comes back with a Hospital Admission for A Noble and on the same page are three other men of the Special Brigade. It is MH 106/1444 and the names are: 130434 Noble A - 5 Bn SB - Age 20 - ICT L Foot - Discharged to Duty 04/05/1916. 128297 Knight J A - 3 Bn SB (late R Fus) - Age 22 - Flu - D to D 19/04/1916. 128939 Pavinder ? J W - 1 Bn SB (late 13 Lincs) - age 40 - Tonsilitis - D to D 19/04/1916. (Can not find this man in the Rolls and there was no 13 Bn Lincs). 129430 Bowler C J - 5 Bn SB (late 3 Beds) - Age 19 - Gastritis - D to D 09/05/1916. Brian EDIT 3: 128938 is John William Parrinder later 565778 Labour Corps. Brian Thanks Brian for all your work. I guess I just keep looking. Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 21 June , 2018 Share Posted 21 June , 2018 I'm afraid so, Leo. I have flagged up 130154 A McGuire on my RE index so if I find him I will let you know. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Britt Posted 2 July , 2018 Share Posted 2 July , 2018 Hello Terry I’m so pleased to find this forum and your thread in particular. Please forgive me if don’t include the details correctly but I don’t really know the protocol. I’m not particularly familiar with military terms regarding ranks or brigades/battalions etc so please excuse my ignorance. My great great grandfather, Thomas John Britt died July 14th 1916 aged 40. He is buried at Bienvillers Military Cemetary. Here are the details that i know of him: Pioneer Thomas John Britt, 128968 4th Battalion Special Brigade RE Died 14/07/1916 Lived in Whittington, Staffs. His son Thomas Arthur Britt was in the Staffordshire Regiment. I gather there’s a Staffs Regiment museum in Whittington oddly enough. Do you have any info regarding what he might have been doing there? What was his job likely to be? What battles were his unit involved in? Is he likely to have died in the first day of the battle of Byzantine Ridge? Thanks in advance Carl Britt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 2 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 2 July , 2018 (edited) Carl Thanks for your post and the photo. He was originally in the Army Service Corps with the number T4/057336 before going to the North Staffs Regiment with the number 19514. Is think he may well have been with 3rd Reserve Bn of the N Staffs when he was transferred to the Special Brigade around March 1916. You may wish to check the battalion war diary which can be downloaded from the National Archives website for £3-50p. He was with a cylinder N, O, P or Q Coy. He appears to have Thomas John Britt and he is buried at Bienvillers Military Cemetery, France. He was the husband of Rebecca A Britt of The Rock, Whittington, Staffs. I am not able to access my records until next week but I will post something more then. TR Edited 2 July , 2018 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Britt Posted 2 July , 2018 Share Posted 2 July , 2018 Thank you Terry, yes that’s him! I’ve found details of his grave at Bienvillers on the Commonwealth War Graves Commision. He has an inscription on his gravestone. “We think of you in silence, no eyes can see us weep” I shall indeed look up the battalion war diary, thanks for the tip. That does tie up with the newspaper article which states that he joined as a reservist. He earned his living as a waggoner on a farm. Apologies, but what does cylinder N, O, P or Q Coy mean? For your info he is commemorated in St Giles church, Whittington on a brass plate on the organ. See link: http://inremembrance.freeforums.net/thread/840/st-giles-church His son, Thomas Arthur Britt who also served with the North Staffs Regmt, is buried in St Giles churchyard. He died in 1964 aged 64. Any chance you can find a number for him please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 9 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 9 July , 2018 (edited) Ca On 02/07/2018 at 19:30, Carl Britt said: Thank you Terry, yes that’s him! I’ve found details of his grave at Bienvillers on the Commonwealth War Graves Commision. He has an inscription on his gravestone. “We think of you in silence, no eyes can see us weep” I shall indeed look up the battalion war diary, thanks for the tip. That does tie up with the newspaper article which states that he joined as a reservist. He earned his living as a waggoner on a farm. Apologies, but what does cylinder N, O, P or Q Coy mean? For your info he is commemorated in St Giles church, Whittington on a brass plate on the organ. See link: http://inremembrance.freeforums.net/thread/840/st-giles-church His son, Thomas Arthur Britt who also served with the North Staffs Regmt, is buried in St Giles churchyard. He died in 1964 aged 64. Any chance you can find a number for him please? Carl The operation in which he was killed was in support of 46 Division. 909 cylinders of gas were discharged at 0100 hrs against 73 Fusilier Regiment. In 1916 the original four special companies were expanded into a brigade consisting of five battalions numbered 1 to 5 and Z company. No 5 Battalion was equipped with the 4 inch Stokes Mortar with Z Coy originally being formed to operate flame projectors. The other four battalions used cylinders to dispense gas and from 1917 onwards were also equipped with the Liven's Projector. The cylinders were about roughy same size as the ones found in an oxy-actylene welding set. Half-size cylinders were also used. Each of these cylinder battalions consisted of four companies and numbered consecutively throughout the brigade although the letter "I" was not used. No1 Battalion consisted of companies A - D, No 2 Battalion, E-H, No 3 Battalion J-M, and No 4 Battalion N - Q. It appears TJ Britt was serving with N Coy when he was killed. TR Edited 9 July , 2018 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Britt Posted 23 July , 2018 Share Posted 23 July , 2018 Thank you Terry. What an awful job they had in Special Brigade. I can’t imagine many of them died well. I don’t suppose it’s possible to know to any degree where he was likely to have been in his last few days? I’d like to visit his grave and introduce my son to his great great great grandfather. It would be nice to know roughly the landscape he might have seen. Thanks again Terry, I’ll make sure his story is forever remembered in our family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 24 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2018 (edited) Carl The 4th Battalion HQ was at Bouquemaison which is on the D916 between Frevant and Doullens. The companies were accommodated in this area as there is mention in the war diary of huts being built. Their target on the night in question was the Monchy-au-Bois area about 30 mins drive away. TR Edited 25 July , 2018 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Haselgrove Posted 25 July , 2018 Share Posted 25 July , 2018 Hello Terry, I am in the process of gathering and attaching to items in my collection such information as I already have and, wherever possible, adding to it. In this respect I would like to find out the identity of the owner of a "souvenir painted" steel helmet I have had for many years. I wonder if you, or anyone reading this, can assist or at least point me in the right direction. I say straight away that I appreciate my question is the very opposite of the information you were seeking in your first post in this thread and apologize in advance for this. I also appreciate that finding a name may be compared to looking for a needle in a haystack. However, the helmet may be of interest in any event. I attach some photos of the helmet which, you will see, provides a great deal of information save the identity of the owner. Here is a list of the dates and places painted on each side of the helmet: 8/8/15 Landed Le Havre 25/9/15 Loos (18) June - Dec '15 Arras - Somme 26/12/16 Wounded Berles au Bois Septr '17 Ypres - Potize Ridge Octr '17 Cambrin - Loos Octr - Dec. '17 Dixmude (Belgium Army) Feb - Apl. '18 "Retreat" Ham, Noyan, Nesle, Roye, Moreuil, Amiens May '18 Vermelles - Loos, Vimy --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- June - July '18 Mailly-Maillet, Aveloy -Wood, Auchonvillers. " " Beaumont-Hamel. Aug '18 River Ancre Offensive " " Albert - Bapaume Offensive Sept - Octr '18 Bapaume - Cambrai " Octr '18 Cambrai - Le Cateau " Nov '18 Englefontaine, Mormal Forest, Sambre Canal, Berlaimont. Armistice. Jan 14th 1919 Demobilised Duddingston. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, I apologize for bothering you with this. However, if you can help, I will be very grateful. Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 25 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 25 July , 2018 (edited) Michael Many thanks, what a cracking object! I can say that the owner was an original "Corporal's All". I will get back to you later with some information. Best wishes TR Edited 25 July , 2018 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart T Posted 26 July , 2018 Share Posted 26 July , 2018 Two exact dates (wound, demob) must mean a good chance of a positive ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neill Gilhooley Posted 27 July , 2018 Share Posted 27 July , 2018 (edited) To state the obvious, for it is written time and again on demob forms, many Edinburgh men were demob'd Duddingston. - Separately, Terry will probably know of these photographs: https://collection.nam.ac.uk/detail.php?q=searchType%3Dsimple%26resultsDisplay%3Dlist%26simpleText%3D51st%2Bdivision&pos=5&total=15&page=1&acc=2002-02-902-180 One of 188 copy photographs taken by Lt Patrick Robert Koekkoek, Special Brigade, Royal Engineers. Edited 27 July , 2018 by Neill Gilhooley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 29 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2018 On 25/07/2018 at 12:12, Michael Haselgrove said: Hello Terry, I am in the process of gathering and attaching to items in my collection such information as I already have and, wherever possible, adding to it. In this respect I would like to find out the identity of the owner of a "souvenir painted" steel helmet I have had for many years. I wonder if you, or anyone reading this, can assist or at least point me in the right direction. I say straight away that I appreciate my question is the very opposite of the information you were seeking in your first post in this thread and apologize in advance for this. I also appreciate that finding a name may be compared to looking for a needle in a haystack. However, the helmet may be of interest in any event. I attach some photos of the helmet which, you will see, provides a great deal of information save the identity of the owner. Here is a list of the dates and places painted on each side of the helmet: 8/8/15 Landed Le Havre 25/9/15 Loos (18) June - Dec '15 Arras - Somme 26/12/16 Wounded Berles au Bois Septr '17 Ypres - Potize Ridge Octr '17 Cambrin - Loos Octr - Dec. '17 Dixmude (Belgium Army) Feb - Apl. '18 "Retreat" Ham, Noyan, Nesle, Roye, Moreuil, Amiens May '18 Vermelles - Loos, Vimy --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- June - July '18 Mailly-Maillet, Aveloy -Wood, Auchonvillers. " " Beaumont-Hamel. Aug '18 River Ancre Offensive " " Albert - Bapaume Offensive Sept - Octr '18 Bapaume - Cambrai " Octr '18 Cambrai - Le Cateau " Nov '18 Englefontaine, Mormal Forest, Sambre Canal, Berlaimont. Armistice. Jan 14th 1919 Demobilised Duddingston Michael I have been through the disembarkation dates for the original members of the SB in 1915 and can only two men disembarking on 8.8.15. One, TH Mills, was commissioned in February 1919 which disqualifies him. The other, is T / WO1 Frederick Doherty, formerly of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment. However, he was Sergeant Major at HQ Special Companies 3rd Army, so that disqualifies him. Demobilisation Regulations show that the owner was demobbed at Duddingston near Edinburgh (also mentioned by Neil above) so the man we are looking for is almost certainly a Scot. I have yet to check the officers but I will get back to you if anything turns up. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 29 July , 2018 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2018 On 27/07/2018 at 08:13, Neill Gilhooley said: To state the obvious, for it is written time and again on demob forms, many Edinburgh men were demob'd Duddingston. - Separately, Terry will probably know of these photographs: https://collection.nam.ac.uk/detail.php?q=searchType%3Dsimple%26resultsDisplay%3Dlist%26simpleText%3D51st%2Bdivision&pos=5&total=15&page=1&acc=2002-02-902-180 One of 188 copy photographs taken by Lt Patrick Robert Koekkoek, Special Brigade, Royal Engineers. Neil, thanks, yes. I have an original cartoon drawing of him as a Major in WW2 at a HQ in somewhere in the UK in 1940. His family name is Dutch, although he was born in the UK. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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