1915 Star/Victory & British War Medal Entitlement

[macfarro]

Dear all...

I have a relative (see MIC) who served with 11th battalion Argyle & Sutherland, Labour Corp and A.O.C (in that order I think).

He arrived in theatre on 10/7/1915 and is on the Argyle medal roll for Victory/British medal but on the A.O.C roll for the 1915 Star.

Given that the entitlement for the 1915 Star is someone ' who served in a theatre of war before December 31st 1915 and who did not qualify for the earlier star', can I assume that he disembarked as an Argyle (dates match with 11th batt/15th Scottish div) but by 31/12/1915 he was a member of the A.O.C - having passed through the ranks of the Labour Corp?

Seems a fairly short period of time for so many transfers

many thanks & regards

Rob

Robert_Logan_Medal_Roll_draft.doc

[welshdoc]

Very odd, I agree I would have thought his star would be to the ASH he may have been wounded or sick so to labour corps then to the AOC, interestingly the star is to the RAOC which I think became royal late in the war. gareth

[HarryBettsMCDCM]

There is nothing unusual in three or more Regiment changes in a short time,but men were generally posted to the Labour Corps if they ceased to be fit enough for front line service,as the Medical fitness requirement was not so high.

Generally the actual Medals themselves should indicate the first unit served with in a Theatre of War{ie: The unit he was serving with when he embarked for Overseas};consequently it is strange thatn his Medals were issued from different Regiments,as normally although named to his original Regiment they would be issued via the Medal Office of the last unit he served with{as they would compile the nominal roll}

In all probability I would think that his last Unit would have been LC,having been medically downgraded due to wounds or illness,etc.

[Stebie9173]

Inaddition, the labour Corps did not exists until 1-1-1917, so he couldn't have been in the Corps before then.

All his medals were from the RAOC/AOC rolls (both look like they could be AOC to me - are you sure the VM roll is A&SH?), but his Star, Victory & BWM would have been engraved A&SH. The 2 and 3 are presumably the order served and haven't been added by yourself I presume? It would seem that you are right with the order A&SH-LC-AOC but the timescale is longer.

Steve.

[macfarro]

Thanks all. I'll check the actual medals this evening, I think Steve is right and they are all inscribed ASH - and in answer to your question, the numbering has not been added by me, this is a direct copy of the download from the NA.

best regards

Rob

[macfarro]

Having checked the actual medals, they are all stamped A&SH.

Having reviewed the MIC, I agree it does appear they are all issued by A.O.C medal office, so what does the cross/dot symbol indicate?

Lastly I have a copy of the death certificate for his first wife dated 24/5/1918 in which he is listed as 'machinist, Pte. A.O.C No. 033492.

So he was A&SH when he landed in France, became Labour Corp sometime after 1/1/1917 as was A.O.C by 24/5/1918.

regards

Rob

[Stebie9173]

Cross dot combo indicates to the engraver what to put on which medals.

There are two of these on the card (next to VM & the A&S H details, so the medals should have "4027 Pte. R. LOGAN, A & S H" on them) . It was to cut out confusion as to what to put on the medals, especially if the issuing Corps/Regiment was different to what needed to be engraved.

Steve.

[macfarro]

thanks for the clarification

regards

Rob