mikebriggs Posted 25 February , 2007 Share Posted 25 February , 2007 Steve - thanks for filling in the details Andrew - a run on Buxtons today 9647 John Ernest Buxton enlisted SF 29.11.04 12232 Arthur Buxton enlisted SF 21.4.14 18226 Benjamin Buxton enlisted SF 26.10.14 27210 Arthur Buxton enlisted SF 12.6.15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 25 February , 2007 Share Posted 25 February , 2007 Steve - thanks for filling in the details Just found bit I was looking for - His mitigation - 3 years 6 months service Dardenelles about Oct 15' Went home with dysentry about Jan 1916. Came to france in Dec 16. Been out ever since. In action - Wytscheate. Messines. Ypres (he is noted as taking part in Messines and Poelcappelle 1917) 26 years old. stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 25 February , 2007 Share Posted 25 February , 2007 and Balls.......... 5773 Charles Ball enlisted 3rd January 1898 into Derbyshire Regiment (how cool is that ) 7109 Walter Ball enlisted SF 2.9.14 19196 John Ball enlisted SF 11.11.14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 25 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 25 February , 2007 I may prove my ignorance here (again) but I recall that some records show a date for attesting and some for enlisting. Is it possible that you or I am confusing attesting dates for enlistment dates (sometimes) and this is throwing out your logic thread when tracking down possible dates? Dave - you are quite right and, as I'm heavily reliant on peoples input (as well as my own 'stuff' and Silver war Badge data), I'm sure that there will be errors in my spreadsheet and, indeed, I do have several anomalies. However, generally speaking, the pattern is pretty good. Sadly, the 51 series remains truly Pedigree Chum! I do intend to present the data on my website, but I'm not confident enough of it in ceratin areas to do so just yet. Steve / Mike - once again, thanks for adding to my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 25 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 25 February , 2007 7109 Walter Ball enlisted SF 2.9.14 A re-enlistment date? That number should be 1901-1902. Virtually all the rest slide in very smoothly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 25 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 25 February , 2007 Dave - to give a fuller picture than the one earlier. Here's all my September 1914 enlistments for the non-territorials. You'll see a number of anomalies. The reasons could be many, including the one you offered, dodgy data, and the fact that volunteers were obviously pouring in (2,000 that month alone) so there were bound to be errors in the first place. Regardless, it is still a fairly robust data collection that allows for reasonably informed guesstimates of the enlistment dates of other numbers. Number Year/Month/Day Battalion Surname 15608 1914, 09, 05 11th Cudworth 15679 1914, 09, 07 Cuerton 15749 1914, 09, ?? 11th Hamilton 15794 1914, 09, ?? 10th Keeling 15891 1914, 08, ?? 12th Cooke 15920 1914, 09, ?? 10th Ridley 16022 1914, 09, 07 11th Walmsley 16103 1914, 09, 07 Rawson 16148 1914, 09, 08 11th Ceney 16187 1914, 09, 08 Wint 16191 1914, 09, 08 11th Todd E 16193 1914, 09, 08 11th Whyman G T 16237 1914, 09, 14 11th Percival 16257 1914, 09, 12 Thrall 16290 1914, 10, ?? 11th Baldwin 16304 1914, 08, 05 11th Massey 16346 1914, 09, 05 11th Hall 16359 1914, 09, 07 Fern 16363 1914, 09, ?? 11th Baugh S J 16364 1914, 09, ?? 11th Bailey 16554 1914, 09, 09 11th Caunt 16626 1914, 09, 11 Goucher 16638 1914, 09, 12 12th Ward 16835 12th Davidson 16949 1914, 09, 12 12th Garner 16987 1914, 09, ?? 11th Fowles 16988 1914, 09, ?? 11th Kemp J J - C Coy 17059 1914, 09, 23 Sanders 17062 10th Bloor 17086 1914, 09, 23 May 17111 1914, 09, 24 Whitehead 17202 10th Bloor 17209 1914, 09, ?? 10th Calladine 17257 1914, 09, 24 Caldwell 17338 1914, 09, ?? 11th Swinscoe 17504 1914, 09, 25 Attenborough 17510 1914, 09, 25 Hodgkinson 17583 1914, 09, 26 Bell 17584 1914, 09, ?? Charlton 17618 1914, 09, 25 Offiler 17645 1914, 09, ?? 10th Roddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 25 February , 2007 Share Posted 25 February , 2007 Andrew, that’s a great data set even accounting for the odd anomalies, which are bound to occur when you are collating some many data points (from different sources). By just concentrating on one Battn (the glorious 6th ) I’ve picked up numerous mistakes/anomalies/typos/etc. You have to identify and go with the trends……. So to your previous question regarding Private Ball. You might be right. I have enclosed top and bottom of his Attestation Sheet. Why the Reservists? Perhaps he enlisted few years before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 25 February , 2007 Share Posted 25 February , 2007 Sorry for the size of the image. I've just changed PC and moved from Adobe Photoshop to Abode Photo Elements .....and don't know how to drive it yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 25 February , 2007 Author Share Posted 25 February , 2007 Thank you Mike. I'll e-mail you the full spreadsheet as it stands. By the way, welcome to the Skindles Club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 27 February , 2007 Share Posted 27 February , 2007 Andrew, are you in need of more of the 'old fellas' ? 251 William Brown enlisted Derbyshire Regt (Sherwood Foresters) 16.3.82 3504 Thomas Lyman enlisted Derbyshire Regt (Sherwood Foresters) 17.2.92 4583 Joseph Buckley enlisted Derbyshire Regt (Sherwood Foresters) 17.2.94 Do they fit the scheme? I can get more of pension records if they are of use Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 March , 2007 Share Posted 8 March , 2007 I have just discovered that I had another relative in the Sherwoods: 125252 Private Thomas Lissemore. Any clues as to which Battalion? His medal index card also shows (the line above) South Staffordshire Regiment 240983. Is this a later transfer? Why is this likely to have happened. Regards Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulsten Posted 8 March , 2007 Share Posted 8 March , 2007 henry baddeley mic pte 23420, theatre 2B / Balkans, date on entry 31/12/15. dow 19/8/17 10th batt previous service believe with the 9th batt but no previous number recorded on the mic or soldiers died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff. Hobson Posted 9 March , 2007 Share Posted 9 March , 2007 Andrew, Whilst searching for details on M.I.C. cards for a man named Underwood, Sherwood Rangers/Notts Hussars, Notts Yeomanry ? came across three seperate entries for another Underwood:- two as H Underwood Sgt., No 9224 Notts and Derby Regt., and one as Herbert Underwood C.S.M No, 9224 Notts and Derby Regt, which I thought was rather curious. Regards Cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 9 March , 2007 Share Posted 9 March , 2007 I have just discovered that I had another relative in the Sherwoods: 125252 Private Thomas Lissemore. Any clues as to which Battalion? His medal index card also shows (the line above) South Staffordshire Regiment 240983. Is this a later transfer? Why is this likely to have happened. Regards Dave Not sure but 125250 Pte William Ward was in 1st Bn, 9thBn, 16th Bn and 9th Bn. Many men seem to have come from the South Staffs. possibly because in July 1916 some SF battlions lent out men to the South Staffs. I do not have Thomas on my 9th Bn Medal Rolls though. stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 9 March , 2007 Share Posted 9 March , 2007 henry baddeley mic pte 23420, theatre 2B / Balkans, date on entry 31/12/15. dow 19/8/17 10th batt previous service believe with the 9th batt but no previous number recorded on the mic or soldiers died. He was in the 9th Bn first and then the 10th. He would have arrived when they were at Mudros on lemnos after the Gallipoli campaign. It is possible he was wounded/sick whilst with 9th and then moved to 10th when fit. He could have been wounded on 8th August - The enemy sent a raiding party out. 2/Lt Wicks and four men rushed to meet them - a shower of bombs wounded three. They were in the line south of the Arras - Vitry Railway (near Arras) stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 9 March , 2007 Share Posted 9 March , 2007 Cliff, Underwoods 4 MICs are: Campaign medals, MSM, DCM & probably MM. MSM: LG 29-8-1918 http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType= DCM: LG 3-9-1918 9224 Sjt. H. Underwood, Notts. & Derby. R. (Derby). For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty during operations. When the situation was very obscure he volunteered to go forward through a heavy barrage, and succeeded in obtaining valuable information. He then carried ammunition to various posts under heavy artillery fire, and was wounded in doing so. As scout serjeant his great courage and determination have been most valuable. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType= MM: Fairly certain the third card is for an MM, but can't find it! Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 9 March , 2007 Share Posted 9 March , 2007 Cliff, Underwoods 4 MICs are: Campaign medals, MSM, DCM & probably MM. MSM: LG 29-8-1918 http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType= DCM: LG 3-9-1918 9224 Sjt. H. Underwood, Notts. & Derby. R. (Derby). For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty during operations. When the situation was very obscure he volunteered to go forward through a heavy barrage, and succeeded in obtaining valuable information. He then carried ammunition to various posts under heavy artillery fire, and was wounded in doing so. As scout serjeant his great courage and determination have been most valuable. http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...;selHonourType= MM: Fairly certain the third card is for an MM, but can't find it! Steve. MM - Underwood ( DCM MSM) H Sgt later CSM 9224 2nd and 10th bns London Gazette 14.4.1919 (awarded MSM 29/08/1918) stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff. Hobson Posted 10 March , 2007 Share Posted 10 March , 2007 Steve, My thanks , Cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 10 March , 2007 Author Share Posted 10 March , 2007 I see there's been a little activity since I last looked in. Many thanks to all those who have contributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 13 March , 2007 Share Posted 13 March , 2007 14936 Harold Biggin enl 13.8.14 into 18th Battn (don't see many of those ) 12707 George Brassington enl 17.8.14, d 26.9.14. Served with 9th Battn (but not overseas) - one for Steve M 24064 Harold Mycock enl 9.3.15, d 1.8.18 and.......... 122280 William Brassington enl 30.5.19 127371 George Allcock enl 15.5.20 at SF Depot all from Pension Records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 13 March , 2007 Share Posted 13 March , 2007 12707 George Brassington enl 17.8.14, d 26.9.14. Served with 9th Battn (but not overseas) - one for Steve M Poor bloke did not even get a uniform. 24064 Harold Mycock enl 9.3.15, d 1.8.18 Slight problem with this one - I have 24064 Albert Mycock - 9th Bn and then 11th Bn. Thanks for Brassington as i would never have found him! stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 13 March , 2007 Share Posted 13 March , 2007 24064 Harold Mycock enl 9.3.15, d 1.8.18 Slight problem with this one - I have 24064 Albert Mycock - 9th Bn and then 11th Bn. Sorry, my fault - he actually came from a SWB MIC (not pensions file) so fits with the 9th/11th Battn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 13 March , 2007 Share Posted 13 March , 2007 Sorry, my fault - he actually came from a SWB MIC (not pensions file) so fits with the 9th/11th Battn One thing Would they not have qualified to be on the CWGC database? Brassington did not last long but still died in service. Mycock ( Albert - Harold or both ) had the SWB. I cannot find either man nor are they in the SDGW (unless I missed them that is. stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebriggs Posted 13 March , 2007 Share Posted 13 March , 2007 Here is a bit more detail on Brassington. He served for 41 days, BUT, 2 x 14 days were spent on field punishment #2, so he only has 13 days of Service before being discharged for misconduct he had a few mates too - six 9th Battn men you might not want to include sorry 'd' meant discharged not died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 13 March , 2007 Share Posted 13 March , 2007 They probably sent them to one of the TF battalions Thanks stevem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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