SiegeGunner Posted 14 April , 2006 Share Posted 14 April , 2006 Jill Knight, author of ‘The Civil Service Rifles in the Great War’ and a member of this Forum, sadly died in April 2005. Her research papers relating to that project have recently been deposited for the benefit of future researchers in the archives of the Centre for First World War Studies at Birmingham University, together with her papers on the reinstatement of the Board of Trade memorial at the Department of Trade & Industry. Her research into the 305 men commemorated on the Board of Trade Roll of Honour is accessible via the DTI’s ‘Virtual Memorial’ website (also Jill’s creation) at https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20070603172549/http://www.dti.gov.uk/about/aboutus/warmemorial/index.html Since Jill’s death and the retirement of other members of the original DTI Memorial Group, a new generation of volunteers has come forward to continue the work of maintaining and adding new information to the website, headed by AlanH, a member of this Forum, who is its webmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 14 April , 2006 Share Posted 14 April , 2006 Thanks for the glowing introduction, I am honoured to be associated with carrying on Jill's Project and would be extremely grateful for any help that Pals could offer, in order to make this "Virtual Memorial" as detailed as possible. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reed Posted 14 April , 2006 Share Posted 14 April , 2006 I am very pleased to read this as it important an author's work and research is passed on - I wish you every success Alan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 15 April , 2006 Share Posted 15 April , 2006 Paul Many thanks for your good wishes. I have been associated with this project since November and have, up until now, just been catching up, either with the research Jill had not added, or with information received via the Memorials' e-mail address ( which took some time for me to get read rights from our IT contractors), so I am only now, in a position to carry on my own research and I propose, in the first instance to try looking each individual ( at least the English or Welsh born) on the 1901 Census, to try for some family background, do you think this is the right way to go?. Thanks Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 15 April , 2006 Share Posted 15 April , 2006 Alan Absolutely the right "next step". Once I've identified a casualty on one of my local war memorials, it is virtually the first thing I then do. Possibly more than anything else, it's the key to information that makes the casualty a "real person" - that is someone who had family, lived in real place, etc. When I first started I used the "free" bit of the Census which was fine as far as it went. I now periodically sign up to Ancestry which gives me unlimited access to the on-line actual images. This is much more useful in terms of family information and, in some cases, spotting other likely family members who might live, say, next door. All that said, my project is about folk who lived in particular place not worked in a particular place. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 16 April , 2006 Share Posted 16 April , 2006 John Thanks for the advice. As I already have a subscription to Ancestry, I shall work my way through the list, before moving on to any other areas of research. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 16 April , 2006 Share Posted 16 April , 2006 Alan Another thought... you might also want to enlist the help of Pals around the country to see if they can seek out any newspaper obituaries for their local men. Put me down for North Cheshire. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 17 April , 2006 Share Posted 17 April , 2006 John Many thanks for the offer, can I get back to you with names. Thanks again Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSTURM Posted 29 April , 2006 Share Posted 29 April , 2006 Paul, ref LRB - do you have the LRB list of photo sources from Murphy's Register ? PM me if you would like a copy Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOSTURM Posted 3 May , 2006 Share Posted 3 May , 2006 Just attached a scan of 2/15th officers named under doc and photo requests. Interestingly, none of the officers shown was a casualty. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 4 May , 2006 Share Posted 4 May , 2006 Peter Can't seem to see attachment. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 4 May , 2006 Share Posted 4 May , 2006 Am just about halfway through the T's in my searches through the 1901 census for names on DTI War memorial ( although I will still have to add this info to the site, an even longer job!!) and have still a long list of those either born in Ireland or Scotland or just refuse to be found. But I came across this one, which I could seriously do with some help on , if at all possible (info copied from site): A.C. Shotton Age at death: ? Born: ? Full name: (see Footnote below) Service, Regiment, ? Corps, etc: Northumberland Fusiliers Unit, ship, etc: 19th Battalion Enlisted: (see Footnote below) Rank: Private Decorations: War (and theatre): WW1 Date of death: 28 March 1918 Manner of death: MPD Family details: Residence: Home department: Board of Trade - Labour Department (Northern Division) Civilian rank: Cemetery or memorial: (see Footnote below) When we set up this site in November 2002, the only details available to us about A C Shotton were from the Board of Trade file on the war memorial (in the series BT 13 at the PRO). The fact that we found no trace of him on the Commonwealth War Graves (CWGC) Debt of Honour Register or in Soldiers Died in the Great War suggested to us that some of the details we had may be incorrect. A C Shotton is also commemorated on the Memorial to the Staff of the Ministry of Labour, now hanging in Caxton House, Tothill Street, London SW1. Thanks Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tessy Posted 4 May , 2006 Share Posted 4 May , 2006 Regarding your post below on A.C. Shotton Age at death: ? Born: ? Full name: (see Footnote below) Service, Regiment, ? Corps, etc: Northumberland Fusiliers Unit, ship, etc: 19th Battalion Enlisted: (see Footnote below) Rank: Private Decorations: War (and theatre): WW1 Date of death: 28 March 1918 Manner of death: MPD Family details: Residence: Home department: Board of Trade - Labour Department (Northern Division) Civilian rank: Cemetery or memorial: (see Footnote below) When we set up this site in November 2002, the only details available to us about A C Shotton were from the Board of Trade file on the war memorial (in the series BT 13 at the PRO). The fact that we found no trace of him on the Commonwealth War Graves (CWGC) Debt of Honour Register or in Soldiers Died in the Great War suggested to us that some of the details we had may be incorrect. A C Shotton is also commemorated on the Memorial to the Staff of the Ministry of Labour, now hanging in Caxton House, Tothill Street, London SW1. Thanks Alan Hello Alan I'm Tessy and I've just dicovered this site and as the 19th Northumberland Fusiliers was my grandfather's regiment I obviously have searched for that first and your post came up. My father has a book which is the Historical Records of the 19th Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers - I can't find a puplishing date but it's very old and was printed by The Mayflower Press, Plymouth. Anyway I digress. I looked up A.C. Shotton in the list of members of the Battallion and he's there - his Reg. No is 497 and he is stated missing 28.3.18 Dernancourt, France. I hope that little bit of information helps. TEssy Regarding your post below on A.C. Shotton Age at death: ? Born: ? Full name: (see Footnote below) Service, Regiment, ? Corps, etc: Northumberland Fusiliers Unit, ship, etc: 19th Battalion Enlisted: (see Footnote below) Rank: Private Decorations: War (and theatre): WW1 Date of death: 28 March 1918 Manner of death: MPD Family details: Residence: Home department: Board of Trade - Labour Department (Northern Division) Civilian rank: Cemetery or memorial: (see Footnote below) When we set up this site in November 2002, the only details available to us about A C Shotton were from the Board of Trade file on the war memorial (in the series BT 13 at the PRO). The fact that we found no trace of him on the Commonwealth War Graves (CWGC) Debt of Honour Register or in Soldiers Died in the Great War suggested to us that some of the details we had may be incorrect. A C Shotton is also commemorated on the Memorial to the Staff of the Ministry of Labour, now hanging in Caxton House, Tothill Street, London SW1. Thanks Alan Hello Alan I'm Tessy and I've just dicovered this site and as the 19th Northumberland Fusiliers was my grandfather's regiment I obviously have searched for that first and your post came up. My father has a book which is the Historical Records of the 19th Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers - I can't find a puplishing date but it's very old and was printed by The Mayflower Press, Plymouth. Anyway I digress. I looked up A.C. Shotton in the list of members of the Battallion and he's there - his Reg. No is 497 and he is stated missing 28.3.18 Dernancourt, France. I hope that little bit of information helps. TEssy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 5 May , 2006 Share Posted 5 May , 2006 Tessy This is really great, many many thanks. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 5 May , 2006 Author Share Posted 5 May , 2006 Morning Alan, Great to see progress on some of the names that eluded us first time round. If A C Shotton is the correct form of this chap's name, I can't think why we couldn't find him on CWGC or in SDGW. Take a look on the 'Soldiers' forum at a thread on the second page re 'RBS Memorials' - RBS is undertaking a database/website project similar to the DTI's and I've alerted their project leader to the existence of the virtual Memorial and the fact that you're a member of the GWF. regards Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 5 May , 2006 Share Posted 5 May , 2006 Mick He appears as Cecil Arthur on CWGC with the sn 19/497, but in the medal index cards he is Arthur C and I have now found him in 1901 and 1891 censuses. Have finally finished census lookups, am now compiling a list of 'can't finds' and Scots/Irish born. I am always willing to help RBS or anyone else if I possibly can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 23 August , 2006 Share Posted 23 August , 2006 Well I have finally finished tranferring the DTI War Memorial Site to it's rather more restricted new home. It is not as I would have wished, but as DTI can't support anything outside it's new system I have to live with "wot I got" . I do need to do a bit more in the way of tiding up, but is basically up and running. New site is http://www.dti.gov.uk/about/aboutus/warmemorial/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMcNay Posted 23 August , 2006 Share Posted 23 August , 2006 Alan, Is it just the DTI memorial you are working on, or are you handling the Civil Service Rifles information as well? If you are, then this fellow: Name: DAVIES, LESLIE Initials: L Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Captain Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Prince of Wales' Own Civil Service Rifles) Unit Text: 15th Bn. Age: 22 Date of Death: 15/09/1916 Additional information: Son of Mary E. Davies, of 16, Warwick Crescent, Upper Westbourne Terrace, London, and the late John Arthur Davies. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: XVI. G. 14. Cemetery: CATERPILLAR VALLEY CEMETERY, LONGUEVAL appears on my Roll for HBOS plc, as he worked for Clerical Medical. I notice there are several pictures of him in Jill's book, which I have in my ever-increasing "to read" pile. Is there perhaps any information you can add for him? Cheers, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 23 August , 2006 Share Posted 23 August , 2006 David No, sorry just the DTI Memorial, which has been enough for me over the last 3 months. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 23 August , 2006 Author Share Posted 23 August , 2006 Alan, Congratulations on completing the transfer. The old link still seems to work, but I will go through my previous posts and edit in the new link in those that mention the Memorial website. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanh Posted 24 August , 2006 Share Posted 24 August , 2006 Mick Don't want to take the old static site down until I'm positive the new site is working properly, plus I'm still awaiting a backup of the old site for records. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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