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Hedley Malloch

Well, where has this Death Plaque come from? Perhaps it belongs to the other EP in the CWGC database and the two men have been confused? But in that case, how was the Death Plaque matched with the accompanying Everton memorabilia?

I was kicking myself for not buying - but now ... .

I am decorating the top floor of the house. I would like to go to go to Erquingham tomorrow, but all depends on how rapidly the Dulux flows from tin to ceiling.

So EP played for all three Merseyside clubs? He was not alone. But can you name who played for all three in the same week? For Liverpool on the Saturday, Tranmere on the Wednesday evening, and Everton the following Saturday. We are not talking about wartime matches.

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helpjpl

I've found some records, and a family tree, for Ernest Pinkney on 'ancestry'.

1. 1891 Scotland Census: Age 3. Born Glasgow. Living at 138 Aitkenhead Rd, Glasgow Govan, with father Thomas, mother Mary Ann and brother William - 3 mths.

2. 1901 England Census: Age 13. Born Glasgow. Living at 28 Garibaldi St, West Hartlepool, with father Thomas, mother Mary Ann and brother Leonard - 8.

3. 1911 England & Wales Census: Age abt 22. Born Glasgow. Occupation: Professional Footballer - Everton FC. Boarding at 37 Diana St, Walton, with fellow Everton players William Joseph Lacey and Edward Magner.

4. England & Wales BMD Marriage Index: Jul-Sept 1913, West Derby, Lancs. Spouse: Maude A Fairbrother.

5. British Army WW1 Medal Rolls Index Card: Cpl, Royal Engineers. 201725, WR/260437

6. England & Wales Death Index: Birth Date 23/11/1887. Date of Registration June 1975. Age at death 87. Registration district Liverpool.

JP

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Guest Les Robertson

Hi everyone, first time on the forum.

Was out with the metal detector at the weekend at a local public footpath through some trees, the path links an old pill box and a water mill.

First find was a Wood Green Football League 1906/07 players medal initials D G C.

Not more than 2 feet away was a Northumberland Fusiliers shoulder title.

Probably not connected but maybe, just maybe.

Footpath is in Smallburgh and I have found an Army Service Corps cap badge and a Mother of Pearl Sweatheart broche which was 18 inch away from footy

medal.

Not sure if this is of any interest to anyone but thought I would share it anyway.

King Regards

Les.

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Ajaxer

Can anyone please help me with information about the cause of death of SGT THOMAS CHARLESWORTH ALLSOPP (Royal West Surrey Regt att Labour Corps) who died at Norwich on March 7, 1919, aged 38.

He was a fine all-round sportsman who played cricket for Leicestershire (he was born in Leicester) and Norfolk, and football for Leicester Fosse, Luton Town, Brighton & Hove Albion and Norwich City.

I am guessing he may have been a flu victim but cannot find evidence short of getting a death cert.

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Fattyowls

Well, where has this Death Plaque come from? Perhaps it belongs to the other EP in the CWGC database and the two men have been confused? But in that case, how was the Death Plaque matched with the accompanying Everton memorabilia?

I was kicking myself for not buying - but now ... .

I am decorating the top floor of the house. I would like to go to go to Erquingham tomorrow, but all depends on how rapidly the Dulux flows from tin to ceiling.

So EP played for all three Merseyside clubs? He was not alone. But can you name who played for all three in the same week? For Liverpool on the Saturday, Tranmere on the Wednesday evening, and Everton the following Saturday. We are not talking about wartime matches.

Hedley

I don't know but I know some people who do and I'm trying to resist the temptation of asking them. Just to follow up on the theme of Erquinghem-Lys and Wilf Toman; Robert Elstone, Everton's chief exec led a distinguished deputation from the club out to Erquinghem-Lys for a short service and the laying of flowers. Harry Ross did a nice dedication as usual. As I have a bit of a soft spot for Wilf I was absolutely thrilled.

Pete.

P.S. I hope the painting went well.

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Hedley Malloch

You don't know? Call yourself a football fan? Why it was the City of Liverpool Police Band.

You have to be over 65 to understand that, let alone think it might be funny. Sorry.

EP's Death Plaque: I think someone has bought a pup.

Painting: it seems as if I live on the Forth Bridge.

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Fattyowls

You don't know? Call yourself a football fan? Why it was the City of Liverpool Police Band.

You have to be over 65 to understand that, let alone think it might be funny. Sorry.

EP's Death Plaque: I think someone has bought a pup.

Painting: it seems as if I live on the Forth Bridge.

Hedley

1. Doh! But I did chuckle.

2. You are so right, luckily it wasn't you.

3. We've all been there (never ending painting as opposed to the Forth Bridge, although I have been there).

Later dude,

Pete.

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wandererpaul

Any help with finding out more details of this footballer, I'd appreciate it, thanks.

**** George Kennedy ****

Born - Dumfries - 1885 (not 100%)

Played for; Lincoln City (1906-1908) Chelsea (1908-1910) Brentford (1910-1913) after Brentford?

1911 Census - George Kennedy - boarder - 33 Adelaide Road Brentford (Plasterer?!)

Where did he go after living here? Where was he in 1901? Did he marry? Children?

Died - alledgedly - December 1917. No specific date known or where exactly.

Is there anyone who could help pin down his army service records & his football career please?

"Ancestry" and "findmypast" haven't really helped, as there are a few people, with this name, that this person could be. One is close but not 100% sure it is the right man.

Nothing on websites, just the vague details given above.

Thanks.

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helpjpl

Can anyone please help me with information about the cause of death of SGT THOMAS CHARLESWORTH ALLSOPP (Royal West Surrey Regt att Labour Corps) who died at Norwich on March 7, 1919, aged 38.

He was a fine all-round sportsman who played cricket for Leicestershire (he was born in Leicester) and Norfolk, and football for Leicester Fosse, Luton Town, Brighton & Hove Albion and Norwich City.

I am guessing he may have been a flu victim but cannot find evidence short of getting a death cert.

ancestry.co.uk has a private family tree for Thomas Charlesworth Allsopp which contains an obituary and another item titled 'Professional Cricketer'. If you have access to 'ancestry' you can contact the owner of the tree.

Alternatively, you may be able to find his obituary in the newspaper archive of 'findmypast'.

JP

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wandererpaul

Any help with finding out more details of this footballer, I'd appreciate it, thanks.

**** George Kennedy ****

Born - Dumfries - 1885 (not 100%)

Played for; Lincoln City (1906-1908) Chelsea (1908-1910) Brentford (1910-1913) after Brentford?

1911 Census - George Kennedy - boarder - 33 Adelaide Road Brentford (Plasterer?!)

Where did he go after living here? Where was he in 1901? Did he marry? Children?

Died - alledgedly - December 1917. No specific date known or where exactly.

Is there anyone who could help pin down his army service records & his football career please?

"Ancestry" and "findmypast" haven't really helped, as there are a few people, with this name, that this person could be. One is close but not 100% sure it is the right man.

Nothing on websites, just the vague details given above.

Thanks.

I believe I have now found the person I was looking for. It nearly all ties in with what I've researched, taken all of Sunday trawlling the 'net and the archives.

Fascinating to read a Battalion diary online too.

I now believe he is Brentford FC's most decorated soldier.

George William Kennedy DCM, MM, MID. No.418239

Born 12th March 1882. Died 16th November 1917. Passchendaele.

Emigrated to Canada, from Scotland, in June 1914.

Joined the Canadian Infantry, 42nd Battalion (Royal Highlanders) Quebec Regiment.

Buried at Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery.

Football Career

Lincon CIty FC 1906-1908

Chelsea FC 1908-1910

Brentford FC 1910-1913

Dumfries FC 1913-14

Unmarried.

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Ghost

Here is another footballer for the list. Charles William Parkes, Goalkeeper for Athestone Town. RWR died 23/12/1915

I poor copy of the team photo and a transcript of a letter from the Chaplain to his mother. Not so easy to post an image these day's.

BRgds Alan

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david west

Pte Frederick Henry Bailey died on 1st July 1916, he was a stretcher bearer in 24th Field Ambulance. He played Football for Exeter City before the war, he was also an all-round Sportsman, and a record holder in track & field sports in Devon.

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snakey

Hi Julian,

I am the granddaughter of Frank "Bronco" Burton and am doing research on my Grandad I have been unable to find any birth records regarding him being a Mexican I wonder if you can help me with this mystery I have always been under the impression he was born in Stockport?? If you or anyone else has any info on Frank I would really appreciate it Thanks

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Mevans
On 13/09/2009 at 00:19, tclydesdale said:

I bought a magazine today called "Britains Last Tommies" and on the back page is a picture of Private Michael Evans, 1st Battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers, KIA 11th April 1917. 25197

The picture shows him in a football kit. Does anyone have any info on his football career

Hi everyone. I know this is a huge long shot, but I'm just hoping people are still active on this forum. My wife has just stumbled across it. The man that tclydesdale mentions is in fact my great grandfather. He was from Newry, Co.Down, N.Ireland. he was killed in action during the battle of Arras on 11th April 2017, and is buried in Browns Copse cemetery, Rouex, France. Its only been the last couple of years we have found out anything about him, and the only one picture we have of him is the one I have attached. I'm trying to track down the magazine tclydesdale mentions, but if he happens to see this post or if anyone has any information to the picture of my great grandfather in a football kit or what teams kit it was I would be really really greatful. 

 

Thank you

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

Unfortunately, it doesn't look as though member tclydesdale has visited the forum since 2014.

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