TD60 Posted 11 May , 2005 Share Posted 11 May , 2005 The only information held by CWGC on this French soldier is Louis Eugene RENAULT Died 04.06.16 Grave 8.A.20 254808[/snapback] Not too much... Thanks for your help anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drafter Posted 13 June , 2005 Share Posted 13 June , 2005 N.S.Regt. do you own the book M.M. Canadian Recipiants or were you looking at that from the library? I finally managed to get it on loan until the end of this month around June 29th through the inter library loan program through Library Archives Canada. What I was wondering if you might be familiar with the serial numbers in the back of the back how to find out how those serial numbers correspond with the right soldier. I got a copy of the page that Eric James Bate is listed on just want to know how I can go about finding out what the serial number of his M.M. might have been they don't seem to be in any sequential order as far as I can tell it's all over the place. I would like to get that done if it's possible before the book has to go back. Thanks for the help in letting me that he's in that book been finding out other info of where else he is listed. If there's any help that you can give on this I would greatly appreciate it if incase your not sure would you able to refer to someone else who might be familiar with this I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks again Drafter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healdav Posted 13 June , 2005 Share Posted 13 June , 2005 The French army has one man name RENAULT LOUIS EUGENE, but strangely he not only has two death certificates (not unusual) but two different dates of birth! LOUIS EUGENE RENAULT, INTERPRETE STAGIARE (trainee interpreter) 95th Infantry Brigade (5th Division Brigadier) Class of 1891 Matricule 894 Born Poulay, Mayenne, 10 August 1871 Died 4 June 1916 at Raas (...de Strasbourg) The second says LOUIS EUGENE RENAULT, rank illegible, 19th (illegible) Interpreter for Batallion? Class of 1891, matricule 894, Killed Arras, by shell burst Born 10 April 1871, Poulay, Mayenne Unfirtunately, most regiments/ divisions gave the job of writing the death certificates to the most illiterate person they could find. They are often quite illegible or so full of crossings out and changes (even fundamental changes of name sometimes) that it is often difficult to make out anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healdav Posted 13 June , 2005 Share Posted 13 June , 2005 Sorry, should have added that one certificate says he was domiciled in Paris 11th Arrondissement. The official judicial declaration of death says that he died on 5 June 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 27 September , 2005 Author Share Posted 27 September , 2005 Chris Here are all the details CWGC has... BOHNEMANN, ALFRED Airman 73-176/66 German Air Force 19/10/1942 Enemy Plot Section 24 Coll. Grave 521. STOCKER, WILHELM Airman 57359/227 German Air Force 29/06/1943 Enemy Plot Section 24 Grave 531. SMIT, MEINHARD Airman 73176/95 German Air Force 08/10/1942 Enemy Plot Section 24 Coll. Grave 521. Buried 19.10.1942. KRAUSE, PAUL WILHELM Airman 51902/15 German Air Force 05/07/1942 Enemy Plot Section 24 Grave 511. ELBERS, WILHELM Airman 53577/544 German Air Force 07/08/1942 Enemy Plot Section 24 Grave 512. BLACKERT, D. WILLI Airman 73 176/97 German Air Force 19/10/1942 Enemy Plot Section 24 Coll. Grave 521. WENDT, KAROL Sailor German Navy 15/03/1942 Enemy Plot Section 24 Grave 501. REINHARDT, JOACHIM Sailor N 2052/395 German Navy 27/04/1942 Enemy Plot Section 24 Grave 502. MOLLENHAUER, HELMUT Airman 73176/78 German Air Force 19/10/1942 Enemy Plot Section 24 Coll. Grave 521. DIETRICH, ROBERT Sailor German Navy 07/04/1945 Enemy Plot Section 24 Grave 532. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 27 September , 2005 Share Posted 27 September , 2005 Terry many thanks for the info All The Best Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrenPen Posted 31 October , 2018 Share Posted 31 October , 2018 On 11/05/2005 at 12:50, Terry Denham said: The only information held by CWGC on this French soldier is Louis Eugene RENAULT Died 04.06.16 Grave 8.A.20 Unfortunately, TD60's link no longer works, and I cannot see an image of his grave. What is peculiar is that he does not appear on the current CWGC website search, none of the French do. Weirdly, there is CWGC info on "Lives of the First World War" which does capture the details for a number of Frenchmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrenPen Posted 31 October , 2018 Share Posted 31 October , 2018 This man appears on the 1891 Census, as a French Assistant Teacher - Bury New Road, Salford, Lancashire, Archive reference RG12, Piece number 3213, Folio 70, Page 9. Also of interest is that he was a D.C.M. winner, his name appearing on War Office list 2. This is kept at Kew within WO 388/6/5 (1914 Oct 20 - 1918 Nov 1 British to foreign: France - List Numbers 1 - 30.) It has been transcribed, and is in a recent publication by Howard Williamson. It states that he is attached to the 95th Infantry Brigade, latterly attached to the 20th (County of London) Battalion (Blackheath and Woolwich) of The London Regiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 1 November , 2018 Share Posted 1 November , 2018 6 hours ago, GrenPen said: Unfortunately, TD60's link no longer works, and I cannot see an image of his grave. What is peculiar is that he does not appear on the current CWGC website search, none of the French do. Weirdly, there is CWGC info on "Lives of the First World War" which does capture the details for a number of Frenchmen. It is possible to view the CWGC's Headstone record for Renault by looking at that given under one of the adjacent burials (Charles Edmund Taylor in grave VIII. A. 21 https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/575142/taylor,-charles-edmund/#&gid=null&pid=1) This gives little more information than previously given other than a reference to "(For Particulars of layout misc. (?) etc., See sched S.)", a headstone number of "2638A" & layout of "1S". A headstone picture for Renault's grave, provided by the International Wargraves Photography Project, is now available on the Find A Grave website: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/44043818/louis-eugene-renault#view-photo=23190796 Not sure whether the original images of the death certificates given by healdav in Posts 28 & 29 above were available at the time, but they can now be seen under 'Images' on the Mémoire des hommes site at http://www.memoiredeshommes.sga.defense.gouv.fr/en/ark:/40699/m005239fe305f61e NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrenPen Posted 1 November , 2018 Share Posted 1 November , 2018 Thank you for the detective work, Nigel. It does seem peculiar that although he clearly has a CWGC headstone, none of the French war dead no longer appear in the CWGC website search. I wonder why that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 1 November , 2018 Share Posted 1 November , 2018 42 minutes ago, GrenPen said: It does seem peculiar that although he clearly has a CWGC headstone, none of the French war dead no longer appear in the CWGC website search. I wonder why that is? That's one to put to the CWGC. Access to non Commonwealth/foreign nationals' records is still a fairly recent addition, so it might still be work in progress, but as, strictly speaking, it is outside of the CWGC's remit to list these (see post 12 from Terry Denham) we should be very grateful for those that have been made available. NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrenPen Posted 2 November , 2018 Share Posted 2 November , 2018 It does seem odd that FindMyPast captured a dataset in late 2014 which contains French soldiers - I presume this was exactly the same data available via their website at that time - and yet a search of the revamped CWGC in 2018 does not bring up any French soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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