lionboxer Posted 9 December , 2005 Share Posted 9 December , 2005 One of the men on our memorial 350568 Pte Sidney Marks Essex Regt (KIA 8/10/17), has links to Captain Lord Richard Wellesley Grenadier Guards (KIA 29/10/14) as he was employed by him at sometime and has his name on the CWGC citation. Does anyone know about the background of Wellesley. Marks possibly came from Clapham Junction but why he should appear on Bergh Apton memorial is unclear. The only link is that his wife lived in Norwich. HELP!! Lionboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 9 December , 2005 Share Posted 9 December , 2005 (edited) Born 30 Sept 1889.Son of Colonel Sir Arthur Wellesley, 4th Duke of Wellington (1839-1934) and Kathleen Emily Bulkely Williams ( died 24.6. 1927) Married Louise Nesta Pamela Fitzgerald - 30 April 1908. Two daughters: Pamela, born 1912 - died 31.3.1987 and Mary born 8 January 1915. Also served in the Boer War 1900. Terry Reeves Edited 9 December , 2005 by Terry_Reeves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 9 December , 2005 Share Posted 9 December , 2005 His obituary from the Times 3-11-1914 Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 9 December , 2005 Share Posted 9 December , 2005 I have a picture somewhere in a new set of Great War books I have just aquired and also a shot of his gravestone I took on the recent Pals tour. Would post them but have not got round to signing up somewhere to enable me to post. Afraid I do not know much about him though. regards Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionboxer Posted 9 December , 2005 Author Share Posted 9 December , 2005 Many thanks for all that. Do anyone know where they lived prior to the war? I wondered where our man Marks would have worked for him before he enlisted. Lionboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Coulson Posted 10 December , 2005 Share Posted 10 December , 2005 Had a look in Bond of Sacrifice but his write up doesn't give the family home just the info you have and that he attended Eton. Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 10 December , 2005 Share Posted 10 December , 2005 Lionboxer, WELLESLEY,Lord Richard Captain, 1st Battalion, Grenadier Guards 2nd son of of Sir Arthur Charles Wellesley, K.G., G.C.V.O., 4th Duke of Wellington, by his wife Kathleen Emily Bulkeley, youngest daughter of the lte Captain Robert Griffith Williams. Born 30th September 1879, gazetted 2nd Lieutenant The Grenadier Guards from the Militia 30th May 1900, promoted Lieutenant 1st January 1904, was Adjutant of his Regiment from 1st October 1906 to 14th September 1908 and obtained his Captaincy 3rd June 1908. Served in The South African War 1899 - 1901, took part in the operations in the Orange Free State February to May 1900, including the operations at Paardeburg 17th to 26th February (slightly wounded), actions at Poplar Grove, Karee Siding, Houtnek (Thoba Mountain), Vet River (5th & 6th May) and Zand River, operations in the Transvaal in May and June 1900, including actions near Johannesburg and Pretoria, and those in the Transvaal east of Pretoria July to 29th November 1900 including actions at Belfast (26th & 27th August). Queens Medal with four clasps and Kings Medal with two clasps. Served with the Expeditionary Force in France and Flanders and was killed in action 29th October 1914. He married 30th April 1903, Louise Nesta, daughter of Sir Maurice FitzGerald, 2nd Bart., Knight of Kerry. Hope this helps you a little, Source: The Roll of Honour, Volume 4, Page 230. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionboxer Posted 17 January , 2006 Author Share Posted 17 January , 2006 It seems I've reached a dead end here. Thanks for all your help. Lionboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandsonMichael Posted 28 January , 2006 Share Posted 28 January , 2006 Let's give Captain Wellesley a face. He was buried here: Found here. From SDGW 1914 - 1919, part 48, The Essex Regiment: Marks, Sidney Herbert, born Croydon, Surrey, enlisted Plymouth, place of residence Plymouth, 350568, Pte., killed in action in France & Flanders, 8/10/17, formerly 33497, Suffolk Regiment. I'm not at all sure if this is going to help. Any bright ideas about a connection between Private Marks and the memorial in Bergh Apton? Cheers, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionboxer Posted 3 February , 2006 Author Share Posted 3 February , 2006 Thankyou for putting a face to the name Michael, and thank you for the extra info about Marks. Certainly is a strange one this. He was well travelled!! Born in Croydon, lived and enlisted in Plymouth, joined the Suffolks, transferred to the Essex, wife lived in Norwich, killed in France and commemorated on a memorial in a Norfolk village. Rolling stone?!! Lionboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmyred Posted 4 February , 2006 Share Posted 4 February , 2006 hi, just a thought, in spite of it being fairly commonplace for servants to the aristocracy to hail from well outside the locale, the Wellesley family do have a connection with Norwich. I'm racking my brains here but I believe it was Richard Wellesley's grandfather [the Second Duke of Wellington] who served as an M.P. for Norwich. We're looking at the mid-1800s era. I don't know if the family retained a connection but would certainly have had a Norwich residence for the period in question, and probably beyond. don't know if this helps or merely confuses further! Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest antony grant Posted 6 February , 2011 Share Posted 6 February , 2011 After marriage in 1908 he and his wife lived in Windsor and in Young Street Kensington. I am his grandson. His younger daughter born 1915 lives in a nursing home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lionboxer Posted 6 February , 2011 Author Share Posted 6 February , 2011 Hello Brockenhurst, or should I address you as Your Grace? Well this is a turn-up, I didn't expect to get a descendant of Lord Wellesley to reply to my post!! Since my original posting we have searched the 1911 census and found Sidney Marks living at 3 Chester St, London SW as a footman to Lord Wellesley. Some time after this he met and married Rhoda Chettleburgh while in service for someone else near Dereham Norfolk so he's now getting closer to the memorial that he's commemorated on. Hoping against hope, I don't suppose you have any family photo's of that era or any other information? Lionboxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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