Mark Hone Posted 1 December , 2005 Share Posted 1 December , 2005 (edited) As I have mentioned elsewhere, a team of pupils and I have embarked on an ambitious project to produce a Great War Virtual War Memorial For Bury, Lancashire. This is being developed partly as a contribution to the impending relocation and revamping of the Lancashire Fusiliers' Museum from its present site to a new home in the centre of Bury. After years of hemming and hawing, and debating whether to construct a site purely for old boys of our school, I have decided that we now have the capability to go the whole hog and construct a full Bury memorial, with potentially over 3,000 entries. The main job is combining the individual obituaries published by the 'Bury Times' newspaper, usually with photographs, with information from the CWGC and SDGW databases. However, I am of course interested in any additional biographical data we can collect on these men. I am beginning the project with 1916, partly because this is one of the years for which the BT published a 'Memorial Book', collecting together edited versions of all the obituaries and also because of the forthcoming 90th anniversaries of the battles of that year. As I relate elsewhere we have already started to encounter a few complete 'men of mystery' of whom no trace can be found on CWGC, SDGW or Medal Index Cards. Nevertheless work is going ahead steadily. Any Pal who might have information which could be of assistance is invited to contact me via the forum. Edited 1 December , 2005 by Mark Hone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 1 December , 2005 Share Posted 1 December , 2005 Mark, Good luck with this venture. If any of your mystery men may have a Sherwood Foresters connection then I would always being willing to take a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Chap Posted 1 December , 2005 Share Posted 1 December , 2005 Mark, Excellent project. If any of your men have a Bolton connection and you would like me to check the Bolton papers drop me a line. Same for any men who may have enlisted in the Liverpool Pals. Good luck, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 1 December , 2005 Share Posted 1 December , 2005 Mark You know my areas of interest - you only need to shout. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hone Posted 2 December , 2005 Author Share Posted 2 December , 2005 Thanks for the replies. I shall call on help as needed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 2 December , 2005 Share Posted 2 December , 2005 mark,the manchester evening news carry small casualty lists for other areas,i will go through the pages i have and post the names of any bury lads,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hone Posted 3 December , 2005 Author Share Posted 3 December , 2005 Bill, On the Bolton front, could you possibly have a look for Bury Grammar School old boy, Rifleman W.D. (Dennis) Lauria, 8th King's Royal Rifle Corps, who was killed in the German attack on Hooge on 30th July 1915? He is commemorated on the Menin Gate. He was from the Old Vicarage, Ainsworth Village, but appears to have had no Bury Times obituary and we have no photo of him. I was wondering if it might have appeared in a paper 'across the border' in Bolton. Thanks, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Chap Posted 3 December , 2005 Share Posted 3 December , 2005 Mark, No problem. I'm off work next thursday so i'll pop into the archives and let you know. Regards, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Chap Posted 8 December , 2005 Share Posted 8 December , 2005 Mark, I called in to the Bolton Library to check out your mans details. Unfortunately the archives was closed due to a stock take. Leave the query with me and i promise to see if there is any information or a photograph. It will be two or three weeks before i have anytime to return to the archives. Regards, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteg Posted 9 December , 2005 Share Posted 9 December , 2005 Bernard, If you come across any mentions of Radcliffe (Lancs) soldiers in the casualty lists during your MEN searches could you please let me know. In particular A.Houghton, J. Houghton, H.Houghton and J.P Hough. Don't know what Regiments (apart from H.Houghton) but they all appear on the cenotaph in Radcliffe. Regards, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hone Posted 9 December , 2005 Author Share Posted 9 December , 2005 There are several Houghtons in the 1916 volume, including Harry Houghton of LF who died of fever in Egypt. However he came from Elton in Bury, not Radcliffe. We haven't done that page of the Memorial Book in detail yet, but on a quick scan I can't find him on CWGC for 1916. Another mystery man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteg Posted 9 December , 2005 Share Posted 9 December , 2005 Mark CWGC show an Albert Houghton from Radcliffe. Pte 6th Scots Fusiliers (10860) Died 17/5/1916, age 20. There are several other A & J Houghtons from local Regiments but with no "additional information" given. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 10 December , 2005 Share Posted 10 December , 2005 peter,i have this on sgt houghton from the regimental medal roll,not the N/A one disembarked 19-1-15 died of wounds 4-3-15 theres a pte 22893 alfred houghton and a pte john houghton 29376,both killed,john with the 8th batt and alfred with the 2nd batt,KORL bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 10 December , 2005 Share Posted 10 December , 2005 mark,got about 30 names for you,some are listed as wounded,dont know if they were killed later,ime sure there will be more info about them all on the cwgc,this is from the MEN. pte john hook 19th lancs fus age 21 harwood rd,tottington died in hospital of wounds No 17769 pte edwin parker 11582 13th kings liverpool 43 myrtle st,bury believed killed 14th july sgt fred turner 11689 19th manchesters age 24 4A wash lane,bury [barnbrook] an officer wrote and said he was missing,he later wrote that sgt turner had been killed pte h.nuttall lancs fus 60 east st,bury reported missing,now assumed killed L/cpl joseph howarth south lancs 22trinity st,bury killed wounded twice before pte flintoft 28th field amb,RAMC 33909 age 19 13 martin st,bury cpl richard whitehead 9960 18th manchesters age 25 bolton rd,bury worked for the co-op in manchester more to come bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 10 December , 2005 Share Posted 10 December , 2005 a few more pte thomas shaw 11666 19th manchesters age 25 18 rose bank,greenmount old boy bury grammar draughtsman believed killed 23rd july L/cpl frank burke KORL 86 paradise st,bury wounded driver b or h hughes RFA 11 east st,bury,wounded cpl frank catterall royal fus 100 walmersley rd,bury,wounded pte david queen 26455 18th manchesters 104 bury rd,tottington killed 9th july pte william benson 18592 1st grenadier guards age 25 parents william+elizabeth ollyant st,bury worked in the clerical dept of lancs+yorks railway co,heywood gnr william dennerly RFA lived castleton,mother lived at 8 terrtera st,bury died of wounds bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 10 December , 2005 Share Posted 10 December , 2005 pte h? ingham lancs fus [T] east st ,bury missing since june sgt samuel lomax 1st lancs fus bury 1916 killed on 1st july pte fred hopkinson 26148 20th manchesters age 25 38 scholes st,elton,bury window cleaner he has 2 brothers servimg in the army pte thomas hubbard 8189 17th manchesters 6 foundry st,bury age 24 has died of wounds on 11th july he was a clerk in the offices of the calico printers assoc in manchester L/sgt hubert dawson 16th manchesters A,coy,II platoon age 26 156 lark hill,bury landed in france 8-11-15 missing,now assumed killed on 23-4-17 1914-15 star,war+victory medal this is not from the papers mark bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 10 December , 2005 Share Posted 10 December , 2005 mark, pte chadwick,farraday baron,No 21221 age 18 1st batt,lancs fus listed as DIED. son of george [railway worker]and alice baron born,bury pte harry chequer age 20 201994 born bury lived in heywood son of john paper mill worker and ann cotton weaver lancs fusiliers lived at 74 wash lane,bury his grandfather ambrose and his brother samuel came from cambridgeshire and married local bury girls.his grandfather lived at 32 tile st,bury bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 11 December , 2005 Share Posted 11 December , 2005 mark,is this man on your memorial. Lt roland,charles lowe 8th kings liverpool age 28 killed 18-8-18 member of N.U.T born stoke teacher at bury municipal secondary school bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hone Posted 11 December , 2005 Author Share Posted 11 December , 2005 (edited) I'll look for these, Bernard. Some I already know about as they are Bury Grammar School men without it actually saying so in your MEN obits. Remember the Bury War Memorial does not actually exist , we are constructing it from the Bury Times/CWGC/SDGW etc records. We are at the data collection stage at the moment, so still working through the Bury Memorial Books sorting out who is who. For 1917+ there is no Memorial Book so we are going to have to trawl through the actual newspapers themselves. We've only done that for a few weeks in 1917 so far. I know Hubert Dawson is there as he was a BGS man. For a start Dennerley , Flintoft, Hopkinson, Howarth, Hubbard, Queen,Shaw, Turner and Whitehead are in the 1916 volume and we have photos of them. H. Ingham is there but not sure that he is the same man-this one is a BGS old boy killed in September 1916. In a few weeks I should be able to give you good definition reproductions of these from scans. Edited 11 December , 2005 by Mark Hone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 11 December , 2005 Share Posted 11 December , 2005 some more mark. L/cpl john,william gilbert 200852 2/5th lancs fus 80 market st,tottington son of james and elizabeth age 25 came from a family of 7 children,elder brothers,fred,james and thomas,younger brother joseph,sisters emma and susanah reported missing 28-6-16 gnr harry chadwick 89136 RFA age 20 enlisted oct 1914 north st,bury apprentice hatter pte thomas horrocks 12258 10th lancs fus age 39 enlisted nov 1914 occupation weaver kay st.bury son of james and ann horrocks married to jane bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 11 December , 2005 Share Posted 11 December , 2005 pte charle,gordon southern 5097 10th lancs fus age 22 139 ainsworth rd,elton worked for messrs j.whitehead,bleachers of elton assumed killed 7th july pte george walden 21421 12th northumberland fus married to elizabeth age 30 11 union square,bury referee in bury+ramsbottom district football league pte thomas,nuttall halstead 48310 public schools batt,20th royal fus from hurstroyd,greenmount old boy of bury grammar wounded and in hospital in cardiff my notes,i think he later served as a 2/Lt with the manchesters sgt frank jackson 11584 19th manchesters mosley ave,bury old boy of bury grammar wounded and in hospital at southampton. bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 11 December , 2005 Share Posted 11 December , 2005 from my own data base pte charles greenhalgh 245111 16th manchesters age 34 born,bury enlisted,bury wife annie,elizabeth greenhalgh,452 limefield,bury. worked in a dyeworks previously pte 42731 KORL died whilst a POW buried hautmont communal cemetary grave ref IV.B.26 died 13-10-18. sgt roger smith 6683 16th manchesters A.coy originally a L/cpl in B.coy,VIII platoon. age 26 enlisted sept 1914 killed in action 15-10-16 buried in warlencourt british cemetary, grave ref VIII.J.49 son of william,henry and annie,sarah smith,70 surrey st,glossop worked as a clerk in the bury branch of the lancashire+yorkshire bank old boy of bury grammar won the MM at maricourt, being a private at the time,gazetted 11-11-16 landed in france 8-11-15 1914-15 star,war+victory medals bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 12 December , 2005 Share Posted 12 December , 2005 pte james bolton 1st lancs fus age 20 8246 trench mortar section 40 ???garden st,bury missing since 1st july pte charles holt 200626 2/5th lancs fus age 24 20 goodlad st,woodfold,bury missing since 19th june pte john,f kay public schools batt ps/5148 old boy bury grammar in hospital warrington pte george smith royal fus bell lane,bury in hospital at aldershot thats the lot for now mark bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harribobs Posted 27 December , 2005 Share Posted 27 December , 2005 i see you have details of Hubert Dawson 16th Batt Mancs, i have an obit of him including a picture if you've not already got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernardmcilwaine Posted 27 December , 2005 Share Posted 27 December , 2005 hiya mark,i would appreciate any pics of manchesters,ime going to the library again next week,so i will post any info and pics for you,bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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