Unusual comments in ser record Remarks

[bobbluesboy]

Downloaded a service record for Albert Page K13324 who enlisted as a Stoker on 8/11/12.Service record is as follows,

8/11/12 - 9/4/12 HMS Pembroke Stoker II.

HMS Vanguard 10/4/12 - 30/3/14.Left as Stoker I.

HMS Pembroke 31/3/14 - 30/3/14.

HMS Cressy 1/4/14 - 31/5/14.( something in brackets like copu........... ?)

HMS Cornwallis 1/6/14 - 5/8/14.

HMS Duncan 6/8/14 - 1/1/15.

HMS Pembroke II 1/2/15 - 31/3/15

HMS President (Mauritius underneath in brackets) 1/4/15 - 23/12/18 promoted leading stoker during this time.

HMS Pembroke II 24/12/18 - 31/8/1919, then Shore Invalided.See lower down for scan,

Unusual comments in Remarks on the service record are,

Stamped box with : FOR SERVICE IN LAND OPERATIONS SEE HYY5574/ 16(SIIIY).

(Could above be RND?) Then list below,

TR. M.O.P.1/8/14 VIDE PRESIDENT

THEN DEC 18 LEDGER.

THEN K.C.(No 8461) ISSUED 16/9/19.

THEN II WITH A DIAGONAL LINE THROUGH ALONG WITH 9A N .P. 2 A.C.23 414.

THEN VIDE SEP 19.

Interesting stuff but I am not exactly sure what all this means,Bob Clayton.

[joseph]

Can you scan the Service certificates in and post them? They would be easier to understand.

Regards Charles

[bobbluesboy]

Hi Charles unfortunately my scanner is not working at the moment.What I can tell you is that the stamp used at the top of the remarks column is similar to the type for say an RFR long service medal however it says for service in land operations see then details written in in ink.The KC (No........ issued is also in a stamp.If you email myself your address details to cbottlebob@ntlworld.com I will pop you a copy in the post.All the best Bob Clayton.

[joseph]

Bob

Lets see if Per ardua..... RCNVR or Dirty Dick get hold of the thread Im sure they will pick the meat of the bones.

Regards Charles

[james_harvey]

The KC Part is Kings certificate, meaning he was invalided out of the navy. He should be entitled to a SWB.

the below paragraph was given as a reply because i had asked an earlier question

For Land Service meant that they hadn’t trained for sea service. Their land service was recorded on card indexes of which I understand only the RND one has survived. The stamp doesn't come under the list because it is separate from it - the list was to do with their position in the ship’s book, not their services whether on land or sea..

Kind Regards#

James

[bobbluesboy]

The KC Part is Kings certificate, meaning he was invalided out of the navy. He should be entitled to a SWB.

the below paragraph was given as a reply because i had asked an earlier question

For Land Service meant that they hadn’t trained for sea service. Their land service was recorded on card indexes of which I understand only the RND one has survived. The stamp doesn't come under the list because it is separate from it - the list was to do with their position in the ship’s book, not their services whether on land or sea..

Kind Regards#

James

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Many thanks James.Got scanner working enclose scan.

[bobbluesboy]

Many thanks James.Got scanner working enclose scan.

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With regard to Mauritius under HMS President cannot find any HMS Mauritius in WW1 however I did find a reference to a new telegraphic station built in Mauritius in 1916 could he have worked on this?

[joseph]

HI,

It may be me but I cannot quite make it out, can you magic a bit more definition?

regards Charles

[bobbluesboy]

Hi Charles.Many thanks for your help on this subject.Hope this is a bit clearer.Bob.

[joseph]

Hi,

Thanks, not much but clearer I see what James is saying about land service but Albert was a trained Stoker his first ship being the Vangard which in 1917 exploded in harbour.

After a spell in Pembroke his Port Division, he was on HMS Cressey and I cannot tell the date, but this ship was sunk in September 1914 the dates he served on her would be nice as there was survivors.

He also served on HMS Duncan before going back to his Port Division (Chatham)

I can see President and Mauritius but carnt make out the dates. what does it say above Ldg Sto.

Regards Charles

[bobbluesboy]

Hi Charles.HMS Vanguard 10/4/2 to 30/3/14,then HMS Pembroke 31/3/14 to 30/4/14 then HMS Cressy 1/5/14 to 31/5/14 (word underneath in brackets copu..........) then HMS Cornwallis 1/6/14 to 5/8/14 then HMS Duncan 6/8/14 -1/1/15 then to Pembroke 1/2/15 to 31/3/15 then HMS President 1/4/15 with Mauritius underneath in brackets,by side says Act Ld Sto then dates 1/7/18 to 23/12/18 then to HMS Pembroke II 24/12/18 to 13/4/19.Inavalided to shore with (Aeusoatherea ?) underneath,Some of the writing is quite hard to read I am afraid.Bob.

[Gilgamesh of Uruk]

Just a point I'm not clear on -

Was President already the establishment which caarried every serviceman at the Admiralty on her books, as it was post-WWI? If so, then it might go part of the way to explain the President - Mauritius entry, if what he was doing on Mauritius was directly run from the Admiralty.

Could the reason for invaliding him out read something like "neurasthenia"?

Take a look at http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/neurasthenia.htm - a general nervous catch-all, a bit like "stress" today?

[bobbluesboy]

Just a point I'm not clear on -

Was President already the establishment which caarried every serviceman at  the Admiralty on her  books, as it was post-WWI? If so, then it might go part of the way to explain the President - Mauritius entry, if what he was doing on Mauritius was directly run from the Admiralty.

Could the reason for invaliding him out read something like "neurasthenia"?

Take a look at http://www.psychnet-uk.com/dsm_iv/neurasthenia.htm - a general nervous catch-all, a bit like "stress" today?

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Hi Gilgamesh.Many thanks for your info.The Mauritius bit is quite interesting I am sure in the section I read it said that they surveyed the position for the telegraphic station and started building in 1916 but nobody realised that it was actually built in the wrong place,i.e. not the position that had been surveyed.Also Neurasthenia looks spot on having another glance at the service record.Many thanks Bob.