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ROYAL SCOTS MILITIA BN?


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All,

I know the 1st Bn wore the Royal Scots Regt badge in bimetal with red backing cloth and the second bn the same bi-metal badge with the cloth in green. Also the 4th Territorial and the 5th Bn wore a differnt patten badge in all white metal.

Which badge did the 3rd Bn wear - the usual pattern but in all white metal? If so which dates did they wear it between. Presumably post 1881 but upto 1920 or later? Obviously they were probably all wearing all brass economy ones from 1916 onwards.

If it was not the 3rd Bn who did wear the all white metal Royal Scots badge?

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I believe the all white metal badge was worn by the volunteer battalions prior to Haldane's reforms and the subsequent formation of the Territorial Force. So that would mean all the volunteer battalions who did not fall under the category of Queens' Edinburgh Rifles, so the 6th, 7th, 8th and 10th. The 9th I am not sure of, as they were originally part of the QER, however, by the Great War they were standard territorials. I suspect they would have also worn the white metal prior to 1907.

Cheers,

Tim

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I believe the all white metal badge was worn by the volunteer battalions prior to Haldane's reforms and the subsequent formation of the Territorial Force. So that would mean all the volunteer battalions who did not fall under the category of Queens' Edinburgh Rifles, so the 6th, 7th, 8th and 10th. The 9th I am not sure of, as they were originally part of the QER, however, by the Great War they were standard territorials. I suspect they would have also worn the white metal prior to 1907.

Cheers,

Tim

Did the VB not have indiviual titled badges with their VB scrolls added on like other VB battalions? Unfortunately K&K do not cover Vb badges.

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Which badge did the 3rd Bn wear -

If it was not the 3rd Bn who did wear the all white metal Royal Scots badge?

It depends on which period you are asking of,

Pre 1908 the 3rd Bn would have been the VB/Militia Battalion & would have worn a White Metal Badge{Possibly with VB Scrolls as with other VB Units,as stated K&K do not give examples of this particular Regiment though they do show other VB Units}

However by WW1 the 3rd Battalion was the "Reserve" Battalion & would have worn the normal Bi~Metal badge{or economy all brass version}

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Not my particular interest ,but it might be worth looking at books specialising in Scottish badges such as Bloomers " Scottish Regiemental Badges 1793-1971 " or " Badges of the Highland and Lowland Regiments "

Peter Brydon

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Hi there,

The metal used by units for badges for those in scarlet tunics was based on the colour of lace and badges of the regular units. As far as I'm aware all regular units wore gold lace and gilt was their badge colour, therefore the Militia and Volunteers who adopted scarlet had silver lace and silver badges to distinguish them from regular troops. I'm also sure that this extended to the artillery and engineers too

This does however change so that all eventually were to wear gold lace and gilt badges. The exeptions to the rule are your Rifle units and whole variety of greens & greys.

I do actually have a piece of the gold lace mentioned above and will post a.s.a.p. as it also varied as to whether you were an English, Scots, Irish or Welsh regiment.

Graham.

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I think there is little doubt that militia bns wore w/m badges but the question is when? The VB stopped wearing their VB scrolled badges in 1908 and the 1st VB Royal Scots and the 2nd VB RS became the 4th and 5th territorial Bns with their own badge. The remainder of the VB 3-6 became 6-9th bns of the TF while the 7th VB became the 10th Cyclists Bn Royal Scots. The question is about the 3rd Bn and when it stopped wearing the all w/m badges. Certainly it formed the 3rd Reserve Bn in 1914 and would have worn the normal badge or the 1916 economy.

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I think there is little doubt that militia bns wore w/m badges but the question is when?    The question is about the 3rd Bn and when it stopped wearing the all w/m badges.  Certainly it formed the 3rd Reserve Bn in 1914 and would have worn the normal badge or the 1916 economy.

The 3rd Militia Battalions ceased to be @ the same time as the VB

became TF Battalions in 1908,this is confirmed by the cessation of award of the various Militia/Yeomanry/Etc Efficient Service Medals that then were encompassed by the TEFM,for all Voluntary Branches of the service.

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The 3rd Militia Battalions ceased to be @ the same time as the VB

became TF Battalions in 1908,this is confirmed by the cessation of award of the various Militia/Yeomanry/Etc Efficient Service Medals that then were encompassed by the TEFM,for all Voluntary Branches of the service.

Harry,

Many thanks. So logically any militia badges (all w/m or otherwise) would have been replaced by the usual patterns in 1908 (but no doubt continued to be worn by the old solider for a few years anyway!).

Alan

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