Arthur Posted 3 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 3 December , 2016 Hello wipers99 During 1917 they wore a green tape across the tops of their shoulder straps and a green circle on the back of the collar. The shape represented the Bde and the strap colour the Bn. Now this information doesn't vary in any of my references. At the end of January 1918 they transferred to 186th Bde, 62nd Div. and absorbed the 2nd/5th Bn. The 2nd/5th Bn had worn a red rectangle the latter being the Bde shape. I have no reference to a rectangle being worn by the 1st/5th Bn but, it is more than likely that they followed suit with the rest of the Bde! Try Kendo as he is working more in depth on this subject. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 26 July , 2017 Share Posted 26 July , 2017 Hello Arthur, what a valuable thread. I am trying to establish the service of William James Flitter, attached is a photo believed to be William, with a G sleeve patch. Only two plausible men I have found are both East Surrey Regt (The Flitters do have a connection with Surrey) Any thoughts most welcome. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 26 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 26 July , 2017 Good afternoon Andy, The only information that I have on the letter G formation sign is for the 75th Bde Royal Field Artillery who served with the Guard's Division from 1915. They were formerly part of 16th (Irish) Division. A red letter G was made of felt for the other ranks. The officers wore a yellow G on a dark blue felt shield like the shield that was worn by the Guard's Division. Wire on felt. I did check out Ancestry for William James Flitter and came up with The East Surrey Regiment however, I found no connection with the R.F.A. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 26 July , 2017 Share Posted 26 July , 2017 On 26/07/2017 at 23:10, Arthur said: Good afternoon Andy, The only information that I have on the letter G formation sign is for the 75th Bde Royal Field Artillery who served with the Guard's Division from 1915. They were formerly part of 16th (Irish) Division. A red letter G was made of felt for the other ranks. The officers wore a yellow G on a dark blue felt shield like the shield that was worn by the Guard's Division. Wire on felt. I did check out Ancestry for William James Flitter and came up with The East Surrey Regiment however, I found no connection with the R.F.A. Regards Arthur My understanding Arthur is that the G applied to all corps troops within the division; and not necessarily just 75th Bde. I cite the source when I can relocate it. Herewith an example on a helmet in my collection. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 26 July , 2017 Share Posted 26 July , 2017 Cheers Arthur and GT I'm now enlightened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 26 July , 2017 Author Share Posted 26 July , 2017 Thanks GT. I would have imagined that other support units would have worn the letter G using a different colour, however, the R.F.A. was the only example that I could give an answer to. British Battle Insignia (1) 1914-18 by Mike Chappell gives an example of a later version of coloured shields with a brass letter G used by supporting units. However, what he doesn't state is. What colour shields were linked to those support units. Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 26 July , 2017 Share Posted 26 July , 2017 15 minutes ago, Arthur said: Thanks GT. I would have imagined that other support units would have worn the letter G using a different colour, however, the R.F.A. was the only example that I could give an answer to. British Battle Insignia (1) 1914-18 by Mike Chappell gives an example of a later version of coloured shields with a brass letter G used by supporting units. However, what he doesn't state is. What colour shields were linked to those support units. Regards Arthur Yes: it's the only one Waring cites - for ages I attributed the helmet solely to the 75th, yet I'm sure I was informed otherwise. Mike Chappell is good, yet not wholly to be relied upon IMHO. Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolymoleyRE Posted 26 July , 2017 Share Posted 26 July , 2017 Thank you Gentlemen for the responses, did I not post the photo? But the more I look at it, it looks like reversed number or indeed a 6 under a line...One of the Flitters was in the 1/6th Btn, but not sure a Berks man would be in Surrey Territorial Btn... Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalJ Posted 21 January , 2018 Share Posted 21 January , 2018 Not to sound like a broken record, but this has been quite a helpful thread. I have no idea if I'm late to the party, but it's worth an ask: I'm looking for any information on the insignia worn by members of the 28th Division, particularly of the 83rd and 84th Brigades. I apologize if this was covered elsewhere. Many thanks in advance! - Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 21 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 21 January , 2018 Hi Joseph, Sorry to say that there is not a lot of information for the 28th Division units. The 28th Division wore a red strip on both shoulder straps. 83rd Bde. 2nd King’ Own Regt. 1. Rectangle blue ribbon left dark yellow right. Size and period worn is unknown! 2. Diamond blue with cap badge worn on l.h.s. of pagri. 1917 2nd E. York Regt Circle red with small regimental button in the centre worn on the back by Officers and W.O.s No information on 1st K.OY.L.I. and 1st Y&L Regt 84th Bde 2nd Northumberland Fus. No information 1st Suffolk Regt Castle shape yellow felt worn on r.h.s. of pagri. 1917 2nd Cheshire Regt Silhouette of oak leaf dark green felt worn on the back 1st Welsh Regt Silhouette of P.O.W.s feathers red felt worn on the back by officers Regards Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapitalJ Posted 21 January , 2018 Share Posted 21 January , 2018 Much thanks Arthur! I've been trying to research some information on the insignia of troops of the 28th, and you sir, have provided me quite a lot! Your information on this thread is great, and I applaud your efforts, - Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interested Posted 25 January , 2018 Share Posted 25 January , 2018 In the phototgraph above: The lozenge with a number in it? To my dim eyes I think it looks like a "8" with a flat top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 26 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 26 January , 2018 Hi, I think that it is more of a square than a lozenge shape as the top seems to point towards the front of the epaulet rather than towards the centre of it. The only unit to wear a figure eight with a flat base and top that I have information on is the 8th Bn. Y&L Regt. Their figure eight was black and made of felt. Regards. Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 27 January , 2018 Share Posted 27 January , 2018 12 hours ago, Arthur said: Hi, I think that it is more of a square than a lozenge shape as the top seems to point towards the front of the epaulet rather than towards the centre of it. The only unit to wear a figure eight with a flat base and top that I have information on is the 8th Bn. Y&L Regt. Their figure eight was black and made of felt. Regards. Arthur Close-ups, normal and inverted ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 27 January , 2018 Share Posted 27 January , 2018 Could you post a wider shot of the complete photo? One that shows the SD jacket's central row of buttons? I rather suspect this will show the jacket is NOT buttoning left over right - i.e. the image has been transposed vertically. If you reverse this, the flash clearly shows a numeral '5' ... See this post here for another example of a photo printed transposed: Image on left below is the OP's original In that post. The image on the right is the corrected version - note the tunic s buttoning L over R and the wound stripes ... HTH Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted 28 January , 2018 Author Share Posted 28 January , 2018 Hello Mark, A good piece of logic on your behalf my man. I had just taken the photograph at face value. Even though I think that you have now solved what the sign is! I still cannot find anything relating it to the East Surrey Regt. Regards. Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 28 January , 2018 Share Posted 28 January , 2018 2 hours ago, Arthur said: Hello Mark, A good piece of logic on your behalf my man. I had just taken the photograph at face value. Even though I think that you have now solved what the sign is! I still cannot find anything relating it to the East Surrey Regt. Regards. Arthur If you check which way the tunics are buttoned in the complete picture, you can easily confirm the inversion. I only have Chappell and couldn't find it there Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poona guard Posted 3 August , 2023 Share Posted 3 August , 2023 It's the 5th TRB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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