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KONDOA Posted 13 October , 2005 Share Posted 13 October , 2005 Raise a glass. Roop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofatfortakeoff Posted 13 October , 2005 Share Posted 13 October , 2005 REMEMBERING THEM TODAY. 1/5TH LINCOLNS BARTON COMPANY AND ALL OTHER MEN ON BOTH SIDES AT THE COAL MINES. REST IN PEACE BOYS YOU GAVE YOUR ALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 13 October , 2005 Share Posted 13 October , 2005 My thoughts are with them. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Pattenden Posted 4 November , 2005 Share Posted 4 November , 2005 I should just like to call attention to one officer of the 1/5th Linclonshires (T.F.) killed at the Hohenzollern. 2nd Lt John A. B. Jolley. He was 20, and would have gone up to Cambridge had he not been killed. Jolley.bmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bramley Posted 5 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 5 November , 2005 Hello Hugh, Many thanks for posting the photograph. Do you mind me asking where it is from? The History of the 1/5th Lincolnshire Regiment icludes the following: Chapter IV 'The Ypres Salient' (The Battn. were in trenches near Hill 60) 'On August 22nd we returned to the trenches, taking over an extra trench, No 41 from the 137th Brigade on our right. On the next day a further reinforcement of officers reached us, 2nd Lieuts. Abbot, Bott Brown, Bone, Jollye and Wright joining from England, while Lieut. Fieldsend joined from the Divisional Rest Station and resumed command of the Machine Gun Section.' 'On September 5th an unlucky isolated shrapnel shell killed two men and wounded two officers, Lieuts. Lowe and Bott.' Only one man is recorded as killed in the war diary, L/Cpl Fred Thompson from Old Brumby near Scunthorpe. Chapter V 'The Hohenzollern Redoubt' 'The casualties were extremely heavy; of 23 officers who went into action, 11 were killed and 11 wounded, of whom one subsequently died of wounds; 285 other ranks were reported killed or missing, and 175 wounded....The loss in officers however was irreparable, as the following casualty list shows: it bears eloquent testimony to the gallant leading of the attack. Killed in Action: Major H.I. Robinson, Captain and Adjutant V. de Hoghton. Captains H.S. Scorer, H.W. Nicholson, G.H.J. Sowter, Lieut. W.L. Hartley. " tieuts. P.K. Brown, E.E. Early, J.A.B. Jollye, C.B. Shrewsbury, T.Wright. Died of Wounds: 2nd Lieut. J.Blunt. Wounded: Lieut.-Colonel T.E. Sandall, Major H.G. Wilson, Lieuts, B.C. Hall, C.F.W. Haseldine, F.L. Jones, H.D. Mountain, J.S. Nichols, D.F. Underwood 2nd Lieuts. R.L. Hett, W.H.G. Smyth. One officer only, Captain R.E. Madge, who did excellent work with his machine gun section, and was subsequently mentioned in despatches, was left to bring the Battalion out of action.' Interestingly, CWGC has his name spelt correctly but his d.o.d. wrong! Name: JOLLEY, JOHN ANDREW BENJAMIN Initials: J A B Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment: Lincolnshire Regiment Unit Text: 7th Bn. attd. 5th Bn. Date of Death: 11/10/1915 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 31 to 34. Cemetery: LOOS MEMORIAL MIC Description Medal card of Jolley, John Andrew Benjamin Corps Regiment No Rank Lincolnshire Regiment Acting Serjeant Lincolnshire Regiment Second Lieutenant Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Pattenden Posted 7 November , 2005 Share Posted 7 November , 2005 Sorry to be slow replying, Steve! The photo is from The Pelican, the school magazine of The Perse School, Cambridge, where he was a student. Second Lieutenant Jolley was quite a good poet whilst at school. He wrote the following poem, the last stanza-and-a-half of which is going to be used at the beginning of a commemorative volume on the war dead of The Perse. The Dying Heracles. 1912 Then Phoebus, in his wondrous car of fire, Arising from the sea, touched with his rose. Tipp’d hands the hills, and all the heavenly choir Of birds awoke. There on the banks where the great river flows The dying hero mounted on the pyre arose. A wisp of smoke. He spake: “There was a time when none did dare “To speak of me, save with his bated breath, “Afraid lest I should come to him and tear “Him limb from limb “Now I who once did wear the victor’s wreath, “Through a weak woman’s hands these pains must bear, “E’en I, who once did pit myself ‘gainst Death, “And strove with him. “Once did I fight with Death to save a friend, “Now Death, recovered from his first defeat, “Seeks to regain his own, and in the end “He conquers me. “I strove to conquer death, and in the heat “Of passing Triumph, thought that I did bend “Him to my will, that I in fight could meet “Him, and be free “But none can conquer Death, no hero can “Escape his clutches, be he ne’er so strong, “For dreaded Death and Hades cast their ban “Upon them all. “What Death is, none must know, for it is wrong “To seek out knowledge too divine for man, “But e’en for heroes there awaits ere long- “A sable pall J. A. B. Jolley, O.P. Killed in Action at Loos, October 13th 1915 The tragic irony is, of course, given the last two lines, that Second Lieutenant Jolley has no known grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Pattenden Posted 7 November , 2005 Share Posted 7 November , 2005 From The Perse School Book of Honour 1914 - 1919 (Unfinished): There can have been few pupils so involved in the school in an extra curricular way as J. A. B. Jolley. He was, at the time he left the school, both a prefect and a sergeant in the Officer Training Corps, Honorary Secretary of the P.S.C.C., editor of The Pelican, on the Debating Society Committee, Honorary Secretary of the Navy League, and Honorary Treasurer of the Perse Folk. He had 1st XI cricket and hockey colours, as well as 2nd XV rugby colours and West House Colours. He won a scholarship for Classics at St. Catherine’s College, Cambridge, but before he could start his studies went off to war. After war was declared in 1914, J. A. B. Jolley enlisted in the Public Schools Battalion of the Royal Fusiliers, and commenced training at Epsom, later becoming an Acting Sergeant Instructor. However, he soon took a commission in the 9th Battalion, The Lincolnshire Regiment. In a letter written at the time he expresses his opinions on a certain town where his battalion was stationed: ‘My fears as regards Grimsby were but too well founded. Our Battalion headquarters are in the fish docks, and the Company headquarters are in a cinematograph house! Altogether, the smell of Grimsby is annoying. But I flourish!’ He travelled to France, where, attached to the 1/5th (Territorial) Battalion of the same regiment (from August 1915), he took part in the Battle of Loos. On 13th October 1915, the 1/5th Lincolns assaulted the Hohenzollern Redoubt. They advanced well across No Man’s Land, and into the Redoubt, only to be mown down by machinegun and rifle fire as they pressed forward toward Fosse Trench. Of 23 officers and 850 men who started out, only one officer and 110 men returned unhurt. Second Lieutenant Jolley was not one of them; he was killed that day, aged but twenty. He wrote the poem at the front of this book. There is perhaps some bitter irony in the last line given that Second Lieutenant Jolley has no known grave. Second Lieutenant J. A. B. Jolley is commemorated on the Loos Memorial, France, panels 31 to 34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bramley Posted 10 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 10 November , 2005 Hugh, And sorry for being slow seeing your reply!! Many thanks for posting this very interesting material. Quite a 'romantic' as a poet, i wonder if his style would have changed? And indeed the final lines are very poignant. ‘My fears as regards Grimsby were but too well founded. Our Battalion headquarters are in the fish docks, and the Company headquarters are in a cinematograph house! Altogether, the smell of Grimsby is annoying. But I flourish!’ Fortunately for most, but unfortunate for others, the 'smell' has dissipated somewhat in recent years! Below is a recent photograph of the Hohenzollern area, 'The Redoubt looking from the approximate area of Fosse trench.' Thanks once again, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Pattenden Posted 17 November , 2005 Share Posted 17 November , 2005 Steve, Sorry to be so slow replying - I've been in Greece for the last few days! Thanks for the picture - It really puts it in all in perspective. When I went down to the Loos Memorial a couple of years ago, I took a copy of his poem and read it out by the panel with his name on it. Best wishes, Hugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bramley Posted 17 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2005 Hi Hugh, Hope the weather agreed with you I can imagine the reading of his poem was a very special occasion, it's moments like that that really mean something. A very fine tribute indeed. When I first went to the Loos memorial and stood in front of the panels it was a very emotional experience for me, for which I was quite unprepared, very humbling. It brought all of my research into perspective, to read and remember so many names. I just hope that eventually I can do the memory of these men justice. Cheers, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow Posted 18 November , 2005 Share Posted 18 November , 2005 I am not a poet myself and in no position to be critical of works of this nature. It is just my opinion that there’s only one poem about the Famous Redoubt that has great relevance and was viewed as being such a fine example of regimental poetic license in its day it was distributed to all members of the 5th Battalion the Lincolnshire Regiment. Considering we have so many interested parties I am surprised no one has mentioned it. I`m almost sure this would be the poem the lads would remember…… I share it with you now: The Attack on the Famous Redoubt By Pte H. L. Daulton 5th Lincs Reg Ward 23 D Bed 182 Wharncliffe War Hospital Sheffield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewThornton Posted 5 December , 2005 Share Posted 5 December , 2005 The last poem is very interesting as I came across virtually the same verse printed in "Cannock Advertiser"of 27th May 1916. The poem is attributed to Sapper J. Dutton, 2/1st North Midland Field Company, Royal Engineers. Sapper Dutton came from Landywood: "The Charge of the Terrier Brigade" 13th October 1915 'Twas the Thirteenth of October When the stirring charge was made, On the Hohenzollern Redoubt By the Terrier Brigade. They had held the line in Belgium For eight long weary months, They had no chance to go forward But they never faltered once. And now the chance was given them Each heart was filled with joy, From the General Commanding to the youngest Drummer Boy. We relieved the Guards at daybreak. They explained to us the ground, And how the trenches before us With machine guns did abound. A Captain passed along the trench, "Keep clam my lads", said he, "And by the help of God above We'll claim a victory". The boys, they understood him And all ready for the fray, We cracked our jokes with ne'er a thought Of the ending of the day. At five-to-two the order came; "Stand-To boys and get ready!" 'Tis hard this waiting for your work But be both calm and steady. Again the order came along, Two minutes to go, now one. Then over the top and at 'em boys For God's sake do get on. In a minute or two we found ourselves Masters of their front line. Then it's over and at 'em again Go on, you're doing fine. In No-Man's Land many a hero fell But on, still on they came. Our folks at home will feel proud to know 'Twas for right and an honoured name. At last we gained the ground we wanted But oh, what an awful loss. Still we did our duty, the order was - "Take and hold it, at whatever cost". The Engineers, they did their bit After the charge was made. With stakes and wire they made secure The ground that we had gained. Game to the last, they held their ground For two whole days, we're told. And the Guards relieving were moved to tears At the glorious tales we told. The boys who are left shed silent tears As they fight it over again. For many a pal and brother too Are numbered with the slain. "Trust in God", the Chaplain said, "And think of the badge you wear". We did, and we thought of our wives and parents too Whose names we proudly bear. If only the slackers in England now Would think of those that are gone, And resolve to shed their own life's blood For the sake of their dear old home. If with one voice they'd cry, "I will!" Then this terrible war will cease And the world would at last be clothed In an everlasting peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow Posted 5 December , 2005 Share Posted 5 December , 2005 Is there any chance you could obtain a copy of the source please? It looks at though the Lincolns poem has been ripped off! There werent any Sappers making charges at the Redoubt. The infantry were running their own communications. I realise the engineers would of been there but not is the first assault which the poem describes in its opening verses. Heres a copy of the cover of the poem that was reproduced. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Bramley Posted 5 December , 2005 Author Share Posted 5 December , 2005 Steve, Andrew. On 13.10.15 the 2/1st Field Coy R.E. at 6.30 p.m. acted as a water carrying party for the infantry, 200 petrol cans full of water were taken up to the front line. (400 gallons) On 14.10.15 at 5 p.m. the Company put up 200 yards of french wire out in front of the west face, arriving back at billets at 5 a.m. the next day. Regards, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff. Hobson Posted 14 December , 2005 Share Posted 14 December , 2005 REMEMBERING THEM TODAY. 1/5TH LINCOLNS BARTON COMPANY AND ALL OTHER MEN ON BOTH SIDES AT THE COAL MINES. REST IN PEACE BOYS YOU GAVE YOUR ALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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