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A couple of questions on organisation at the time of mobilisation:

How was the change from 8 coys to 4 coys achieved and would this have affected the number of officers, nco's etc?

Would the Colour Sergeants all have become CSM's?

Would there have been a weeding out process for older men, those married with children, specialised trades etc before they were asked to volunteer for overseas service?

What regular officers, nco's would they have received?

Any help gratefully acknowledged.

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Squirrel

Can't help with the first two questions, but as far as I can see from various accounts about the 6th Cheshires, the answers to the last two are "No" and "None".

John

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'Embodiment' not 'mobilization' for TF.

How units merged twos into one appears not to have been standardised, and it would fly in the face of reason to do so.

Only half the colour sergeants became CSM [the senior four]. The others became CQMS

There was certainly a weeding-out but it was sometimes lax and seems not to have considered trades

As a TF unit was supposed to be capable of home defence, it was entire in itself, with a small nucleus of regulars. These might or might not have gone to war [it might be considered wise to hold them back to train another battalion]. There was little augmentation, because the New Armies were crying out for experienced regulars and pensioners.

That should get you started.

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Thanks for your replies.

Once again something that there was no apparent regularity with and seems to have been left to the battalions themselves to sort out with the exception of the regulars on attachment.

The particular battalion I have been looking at have no records of any of this and the officer's records show little movement apart from confirming that some were held back to train a second battalion.

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I can speak from my research into the Cambs Rgt.

When war was declared the btn asked men to volunteer for Imperial Service. Those who did stayed in the 1st btn, those who didn't moved to form the new 2/1st btn. The gaps in 1/1st btn were filled with new recruits. Many of the senior NCOs would be older and perhaps had commitments that might keep them at home or were too old, so it would be rare for all Clr Sgts, for instance, to volunteer. Those left became either CSM or CQSM in the new four coy system.

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squirrel,

Whilst I cannot comment directly on your questions I can add that not all TF Battalions formed 4 Companies prior to embarkation for France.

For example.The 8th Royal Scots embarked for France on 4 November 1914 with 8 Companies(a draft from the 8th H.L.I. made the Battalion up to War Strength).The Battalion was made into 4 Companies in February 1915 in France.

Unfortunately the Battalion History I have, has no records of what happened to any surplus men.

George

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The Army Order turning the TF into 4 company establishment was comfortably after August 1914. Indeed, some aspects of the conversion of the Regulars [tidying-up] did not happen until then. Look-ups if needed.

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Thanks once again for the replies; just shows how things were handled by different units depending on their circumstances.

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