vmkarlsson Posted 15 November , 2009 Share Posted 15 November , 2009 i wonder? Yes its 100% my 2nd great grandfather Joseph Horrobin Thank you so much for this i cant believe that you have found this info. Where did you get it from? what newspaper was it in??? i wonder if there are more as i was told he got hurt at least one other time. I really am very happy to see this .... i have the same photo that was given to me by my nan I cant thank you enough for finding this and getting in touch with me THANKS YOU!!!! xXx Also i would like to thank you as well Roy for the war diaries. Now that i have this info from Enoch i can look back on them to see what they were dealing with at the time Joseph got hurt. Very useful!!! xXx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoch beard Posted 15 November , 2009 Share Posted 15 November , 2009 hi, the clipping comes from a cd of 'picture world' images supplied to me by kevan darby (he is a member of the the forum) enoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmkarlsson Posted 15 November , 2009 Share Posted 15 November , 2009 hi, the clipping comes from a cd of 'picture world' images supplied to me by kevan darby (he is a member of the the forum) enoch oh ok Do you know if thats the only one of him or didnt you look? it would be interesting to see if there is more than one. Would you mind looking please Enoch??? xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoch beard Posted 15 November , 2009 Share Posted 15 November , 2009 im 99% sure its the only one because i went through the cd and saved the images of men from modern day sandwell and dudley council areas enoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevan darby Posted 15 November , 2009 Share Posted 15 November , 2009 The photo and info came from the picture world newspaper dated 25 nov 1914. i havent come across him in any other papers, i will post anything i find. kevan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmkarlsson Posted 15 November , 2009 Share Posted 15 November , 2009 The photo and info came from the picture world newspaper dated 25 nov 1914. i havent come across him in any other papers, i will post anything i find. kevan Thank you i hope some more info comes up about him. Though i am very surprised and happy that this was found so i am very grateful. Thank you Enoch and Kevan for your help. Your both very kind xXx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnyson Posted 22 November , 2009 Share Posted 22 November , 2009 Hi Roy, Do you have anything on the 137th Brigade at The Battle of Loos please? No names to find - just interested......my Great Uncle was definately there. He was later KiA on 3/7/17 just North of Neuve Chapelle. Many Thanks Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Evans Posted 22 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 22 November , 2009 Hi Roy, Do you have anything on the 137th Brigade at The Battle of Loos please? No names to find - just interested......my Great Uncle was definately there. He was later KiA on 3/7/17 just North of Neuve Chapelle. Many Thanks Paul Paul, I have stuff for the South Staffs at Loos rather than for the whole 137th Bde. Who was your G.U? Who was he with? Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnyson Posted 22 November , 2009 Share Posted 22 November , 2009 Roy Very sorry......what a chump!! ! My Great uncle was Pte John Lee 3248 he was with the 1/6th Bn South Staffs Regiment that disembarked at le Havre on 3/3/15. Apologies once again. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Evans Posted 23 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 23 November , 2009 Paul, I'll post details this evening. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Evans Posted 23 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 23 November , 2009 Paul, Your details; October 1915 12th Tuesday The Batttalion marched into assembly trenches North East of VERMEILLES. 13th Wednesday and 14th Thursday The 46th (North Midland) Division having been ordered to capture the HOHENZOLLERN REDOUBT and FOSSE No 8, the 137th Infantry Brigade carrying out the right attack, the Battalion was formed as follows- “A” & “C” Companies in the front line of assembly trenches, and with two Companies of the 1/6th North Staffs Regt formed the 3rd line, and were ordered to follow the 2nd line at 200 paces distance, and carry R.E. materials, the other two Companies “B” & “D”, with 2 Companies 1/6th North Staffs Regiment forming the fourth line, and ordered to at once follow the third line, and occupy DUMP trench on the frontage allotted to the Brigade The attack was covered by a two hour Artillery bombardment commencing at 12 noon, gas was used at 1 p.m. also smoke shells which at times completely hid the points of attack. Enemy Machine Guns were heard ranging on our assembly trenches at 1-30 p.m., which was notified to Brigade Headquarters. Having received no message that our front line had not been able to advance, and not being able to see their position for smoke, the two Companies forming the third line followed the second line and suffered very heavy casualties. The fourth line then advanced, and also suffered from Maching Gun fire, from the direction of SOUTH FACE. All that remained of the 3rd line reached our fire trench between point 87 and 89 to assist the 5th South Staffs Regt to hold that portion until this Battalion was ordered to retire at noon on the 14th. The remainder of the fourth line were assembled in the old British front line trench and when reinforcements were called for, were sent up to support the fire trench. 14th Thursday The Battalion was relieved in the trenches by the Guards, and billeted for the night at SAILLY la BOURCE. 15th Friday The Battalion returned to its former billets at the colliery buildings, VAUDRICOURT. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubriscoe Posted 23 November , 2009 Share Posted 23 November , 2009 Paul, There is a sketch-map of the area here. Regards, Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnyson Posted 23 November , 2009 Share Posted 23 November , 2009 Roy Many Thanks - it's very good of you to look for me. Stu Thanks for the link to the map and your site. Apologes to you both - I keep forgetting you have the WD's on your site mate (my man spent most of his time with the MGC (yes I know-that is no excuse!) Stu, those casualty figures - I assume they are solely for the 1/6th? Am I right in thinking the total Bn strength would have been around 1,000 ? Many Thanks Gents Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubriscoe Posted 24 November , 2009 Share Posted 24 November , 2009 Paul, Battalion strength The figures are for just the 1/6th Battalion. MGC transfers I have identified all but one of the original 1/6th SSR transfers to the MGC. Information suggests 05/05/1916 as the transfer date. The O.R.s are; Limer Andrew 1/6SSR 3003 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21805 Sgt. Or Joseph Andrew 05/03/1915 mgc 05/05/1916 18/05/1919 Para392 XVI Whitehouse John Thomas 1/6SSR 2789 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21806 CQMS 05/03/1915 Brentnall Charles 1/6SSR 1946 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21807 Pte. 05/03/1915 Brookes William 1/6SSR 2900 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21808 A/Sgt. 05/03/1915 Carroll Arthur 1/6SSR 2310 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21809 Pte. 19/08/1915 Clarke Thomas 1/6SSR 3445 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21810 Pte. 28/06/1915 Clarke Joseph 1/6SSR 3883 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21811 L/Cpl. 19/08/1915 dis 26/11/1916 Para 392 XVI d 10/08/1917 D 10/08/1917 Cooper Amos 1/6SSR 3044 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21812 Pte. 05/03/1915 Fairbanks Roberts 1/6SSR 2910 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21813 Pte. later Cpl. 05/03/1915 Fellows Albert Henry 1/6SSR 2403 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21814 Pte. 05/03/1915 Fellows Elijah T 1/6SSR 3808 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21815 Pte. 19/08/1915 Hayward George L 1/6SSR 2815 Sgt. Machine Gun Corps 21816 Sgt. Earlier Pte. 05/03/1915 SDGW KiA 27/06/1917 Hingley George 1/6SSR 1986 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21817 Pte. 05/03/1915 Hinks Leonard 1/6SSR 1996 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21818 Pte. 15 Star, date? SDGW KiA 27/04/1917 Hazlehurst Ernest Owen 1/6SSR 3062 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21819 Pte. 05/03/1915 Johnson Charles W 1/6SSR 1731 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21820 L/Cpl. 28/06/1915 Lewnes Harold 1/6SSR 3033 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21821 Pte. 05/03/1915 Lindsay Thomas Ronald 1/6SSR 3893 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21822 Pte. 28/06/1915 Lee John 1/6SSR 3248 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21823 Pte. Son of William and Mary Lee, of 20, Edward St., Bradley, Bilston, Staffs. 148th Battn SDGW 03/07/1917 Morris Edmund 1/6SSR 2954 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21824 Pte. Also Tank Corps 201650 Lance Corporal 05/03/1915 Mycock George 1/6SSR 2467 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21825 Pte. 28/06/1915 SWB MGC/930 UNKNOWN Machine Gun Corps 21826 Robinson John 1/6SSR 2783 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21827 Pte. Also Army Ordnance Corps 027143 Private 03/03/1915 Shinton William 1/6SSR 3298 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21828 Pte. 28/06/1915 Slaney Frank SSR 2889 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21829 Sgt. Smart George 1/6SSR 1901 Cpl. Machine Gun Corps 21830 Cpl. Later Royal Air Force 105257 Cpl. 03/03/1915 SDGW Starkey Gilbert Brownley 1/6SSR 2970 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21831 L/Sgt 05/03/1915 4 Leveson St Willenhall Comm 25/04/1917 Lt. Weston Arthur John 1/6SSR 2468 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21832 Pte. 19/08/1915 Whitehouse Percy John 1/6SSR 2642 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21833 Pte. 05/03/1915 Southall John J 1/6SSR 2655 Pte. Machine Gun Corps 21834 Pte. Also Army Service Corps M/204605 Pte. 05/03/1915 Class 2 05/07/1919 regards, Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnyson Posted 24 November , 2009 Share Posted 24 November , 2009 Stuart, Thanks for that mate - you had infact supplied me that info a while back, which made my search so much easier!! Thanks I have read that the guns were centralized on 7/3/16 and the 137th MGC was formed of the 1/5th S.Staffs, 1/6th S.Staffs, 1/5 North Staffs & 1/6 North Staffs. Pte John Lee's 21823 records indicate that he transferred officially on 5/5/16 - time difference being atributed to paperwork between company , brigade, and the 2 regimental Records Offices. Have you seen anything to confirm / deny this? Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubriscoe Posted 24 November , 2009 Share Posted 24 November , 2009 I have read that the guns were centralized on 7/3/16 and the 137th MGC was formed of the 1/5th S.Staffs, 1/6th S.Staffs, 1/5 North Staffs & 1/6 North Staffs. Pte John Lee's 21823 records indicate that he transferred officially on 5/5/16 - time difference being atributed to paperwork between company , brigade, and the 2 regimental Records Offices. Have you seen anything to confirm / deny this? Regards Paul Paul, sorry for the repeat, my memory is going :-). I have not found out any references to the transfers to the MGC. In the war diary there is only a minor reference to Lewis gun training:- Thursday 17th February. Running Drill. Route march. Practice in bomb-throwing. Bayonet fighting. Instruction given to Lewis Machine Gun Section under formation. Lecture to N.C.O’s by Rgt Sgt Major. Regards, Stuart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 25 November , 2009 Share Posted 25 November , 2009 Hallo Roy any chance of a 2nd South Staffs lookup for 28th July 1916? Just wondering if there's anything of interest regarding this from the 13th Essex WarDiary: - 6.30pm Breslau Support Battalion went into action in DELVILLE WOOD B + D Coys who were supporting the 2nd S Staffs Regt were attacked by the enemy who was repulsed. Intense artillery activity during the whole of the night Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Evans Posted 25 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 25 November , 2009 Hallo Roy any chance of a 2nd South Staffs lookup for 28th July 1916? Just wondering if there's anything of interest regarding this from the 13th Essex WarDiary: - 6.30pm Breslau Support Battalion went into action in DELVILLE WOOD B + D Coys who were supporting the 2nd S Staffs Regt were attacked by the enemy who was repulsed. Intense artillery activity during the whole of the night Many thanks 27th Battalion left the Reserve Area about 2.30 p.m. and moved with 17th Middlesex Regt. to support 99th Infy. Brigade who had captured DELVILLE WOOD and beaten off a counter-attack. On arriving at DELVILLE WOOD the Battalion relieved the 23rd Royal Fusiliers who were holding the western half of the wood in touch with the 5th Division on the left. The relief was accomplished under heavy shellfire and was a matter of some difficulty. 28th The 99th Brigade was withdrawn from DELVILLE WOOD in the early hours of the morning. The Battalion was disposed as follows – ‘A’ Company was in the front line near the Northern edge of the wood, ‘B’ Company in support, ‘C’ Company forming a defensive flank facing West and ‘D’ Company in Battalion Reserve. The whole wood was kept under incessant hostile shellfire and our losses were somewhat heavy. About 9 p m the Germans attempted a counter-attack accompanied by very heavy shelling of our support line and the Southern edge of the wood. Bombing patrols approached our lines but were easily beaten back and the whole of our original positions held. Arrangements were made to counter-attack in case the enemy penetrated the wood. During the bombardment part of the line held by ‘B’ Company was practically obliterated by heavy shells. All the Officers were killed and most of the men buried. In spite of this they stuck to their position. Part of ‘C’ Companies line was also shelled heavily. Most of the fire came from a heavy battery in the direction of GINCHY, which completely enfiladed our Support Line. The Battalion held on under great difficulties in the matter of supplies and water which had to be taken up to the Companies through a very heavy barrage. Messages of appreciation were conveyed to the Commanding Officer through the Brigadier from Army Corps, and Divisional Commanders, and from General DALY himself. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
At Home Dad Posted 25 November , 2009 Share Posted 25 November , 2009 Many thanks Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnyson Posted 26 November , 2009 Share Posted 26 November , 2009 Stuart I've sent you a PM - hope that is ok Regards Paul (Apologies for piggy-backing on your thread Roy! Once again thanks for the info) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Evans Posted 26 November , 2009 Author Share Posted 26 November , 2009 Stuart I've sent you a PM - hope that is ok Regards Paul (Apologies for piggy-backing on your thread Roy! Once again thanks for the info) I'll let you off this time. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Sanders Posted 20 December , 2009 Share Posted 20 December , 2009 Hi Roy, I'm hoping you could help me i'm, trying to track the movements or whereabouts of the 1/5th Sth Staffs from the day they landed in France till, the 27th April 1915. Cheers Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Evans Posted 21 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 21 December , 2009 Hi Roy, I'm hoping you could help me i'm, trying to track the movements or whereabouts of the 1/5th Sth Staffs from the day they landed in France till, the 27th April 1915. Cheers Iain Hi Iain, I have the 1/5th diary at home and will check this evening. I seem to remember that they landed in early March '15 and in April were in the Wulverghem area, South of Ypres. I've not yet transcribed the 1/5th diary but will scan the relevant pages for you. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Evans Posted 21 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 21 December , 2009 Iain, The dates that you want cover 12 pages of the diary. The scanning part is easy, it's resizing the images to be acceptable for posting that takes the time and I'm rather short of that at the moment. Coincidentally I'm about to start transcribing the 1/5th diary on Wednesday. I'll post you the full details then. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Sanders Posted 22 December , 2009 Share Posted 22 December , 2009 Hi Roy, Thanks for taking the time out for that. Iain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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