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help required with the trawler merse ,i have just found out that my great grandfather ( richard roberts ) was lost at sea during the war and the only info i have is what one relation could remember a ships name merse or mersey , now i cant find any referance to a mersey been lost , but i have found that a trawler from holyhead called merse was lost on the 22/5 /1917 off bute after hitting a mine

this looks like a good hit (pardon the pun ) as my ggf was from holyhead .

do any of you seadogs know where i can get hold of the crew manifest so i can determine if he was aboard this vessel. any help would be most welcome.

the raven

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Hi

MERSE, Minesweeper.

Admiralty No. 980.

Port No. FD[Fleetwoood]. 62.

Built 1914.

Displacement 296 tons.

Armament 1 - 12 pounder.

Service Feb 1915 - May 1917.

Fate Mined 22 May 1917 off Garroch Head, Bute.

Cross of Sacrifice Vol.IV: Roberts, Richard. Trimmer, R.N.R. 5818.TS [Portsmouth] H.M. Trawler Merse. Killed 22 May 1917. Naval Memorial Portsmouth.

Regards

Arthur

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Merse sank on a mine laid by the German submarine UC 65 on April 30, 1917 while under the command of Oblt.z.S. Otto Steinbrinck. Steinbrinck was one of Germany's top submarine commanders and a Pour Le Merité winner.

Best wishes,

Michael

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this looks like a good hit (pardon the pun ) as my ggf was from holyhead .

the raven

Hi,

Richard Roberts was aged 37. The son of David Roberts of Holyhead; husband of Catherine Roberts of 5 Baker St.

Regards

Arthur

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arthur & michael

thanks a lot for helping ,now that i know that a richard roberts served on the merse i can start digging to see if it is my man , on the replys it says trimmer ,what is that .also i understand r.nr. to be naval reserve but after his number what does ts stand for.

once again i thankyou

raven

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Raven,

Being in the Royal Naval Reserve (Trawlers) would mean he was a profesional Seaman before joining up and probably served on the Merse at the time, signing on for the duration of hostilities or 5 years. A Trimmer fed the engines with coal ensuring the coal bunkers were kept even so as not to affect the trim of the ship. TS was the prefix for all Trimmers in the RNR(T).

Regards Charles

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charles

thanks for the info on trimmer . just found out from my brother ( ex rn ) that richard was a marine stoker

raven

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Hello

Here is the list of casualties in MERSE when she was lost.

Field2 Field3 Field4 Field5 Field6 Field7 Field8 Field9

BECKETT FREDERICK R. TY/SKIPPER, RNR MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

CORLETT WILLIAM DECK HAND, RNR D A 6006 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

CURL JOHN C. O/TELEGRAPHIST, RNVR MERSEY Z 2093 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

DENNIS EDGAR A.B., RNVR LONDON Z 2129 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

FLETT ALEXANDER 2nd HAND, RNR S A 2559 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

FOX ROBERT E.A. TY/LT, RNR MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

HIGGINS JOHN DECK HAND, RNR D A 15924 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

HULAN EDWARD SEAMAN, Newfoundland RNR X 1645 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

JONES JOHN DECK HAND, RNR D A 14841 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

MACKAY ALEXANDER L/SEAMAN, RNR B 4690 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

OWENS THOMAS W. TELEGRAPHIST, RNVR LONDON Z 413 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

PRICE CUTHBERT ENGINEMAN, RNR E S 963 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

ROBERTS JOHN DECK HAND, RNR D A 10956 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

ROBERTS RICHARD TRIMMER, RNR T S 5818 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

ROSS DAVID ENGINEMAN, RNR T S 2344 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

SHOEBOTTOM WILLIAM A. TRIMMER COOK, RNR T C 900 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

STANTON GEORGE TRIMMER, RNR T S 2107 MERSE 22/05/17 SHIP LOSS

All best

don

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Roberts, Richard. Trimmer, R.N.R. 5818.TS 

His wartime service card will be at Kew in BT 377, filed under the letters TS and then his number, and his medal roll entry will be in ADM 171/123.

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thanks to all of you who have helped , it looks like a trip to kew in the near future

also to the maritime mueseum might be able to find a photo of the merse, will keep you posted on what i find

regards

raven

ps is it possible to check on line at the archives because every time i try to do a search i get a blank ,must bedoing something wrong ?

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Raven,

There is a manual card index of ships at Kew which includes many of the "lesser" craft. You might also find that they have a photo. Read the Research Guides and speak to one of the research assistants there. It worked for me when I first tried to find out about a torpedo boat that didn't register on the digital searches.

Good hunting,

Bruce

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thanks for the advice bruce ,will do that when i get there ,probably in the new year as it involves a 600 mile round trip.

raven

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  • 1 year later...

I am looking for a photograph of Merse. I have tried virtually every source I can think of: National Maritime Museum, Imperial War Museum, Royal Naval Museum, Merseyside Maritime Museum, Fleetwood Museum, Scottish Fisheries Museum, Aberdeen Maritime Museum, Aberdeen City Archives, World Ship Society. Can anybody help? Failing that, the only builders information I have is Aberdeen 1914. Can anybody come up with an actual builder and or launch date?

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I am looking for a photograph of Merse. I have tried virtually every source I can think of: National Maritime Museum, Imperial War Museum, Royal Naval Museum, Merseyside Maritime Museum, Fleetwood Museum, Scottish Fisheries Museum, Aberdeen Maritime Museum, Aberdeen City Archives, World Ship Society. Can anybody help? Failing that, the only builders information I have is Aberdeen 1914. Can anybody come up with an actual builder and or launch date?

Hello Raven/Lamlash

Builder was Duthie Torry, Yard Aberdeen, Yard No. 408, Launched 4.14, Completion 12.14. Requisitioned in Febuary 1915 and converted to a M/S. ID No. 1136899.

Regards

John

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Many thanks, that makes a local paper search possible. Though I'm starting to think that nobody was ever that bothered about the poor wee Merse and nobody ever photgraphed her.

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Hello to The Raven and Lamlash

My Gt Uncle was Lieut RNR in WWI and based at Ardrossan in Scotland. Placed in command of the armed trawler 'The Roman' from Feb 1917 to Feb 1918 he mentions in his notebook the demise of the 'Merse' which may be of interest.

"Was employed sweeping in front of the new dreadnought 'HMS Ramillies' that was being escorted to Liverpool by several destroyers and armed trawlers. All of a sudden we heard a very loud explosion and on looking in the direction of the sound I saw the 2 wireless masts of a trawler falling toward each other. It was the trawler 'Merse.' She had struck a mine. Not a man was seen thereafter. The only thing that was picked up was the small boat."

Rob

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help required with the trawler merse ,i have just found out that my great grandfather ( richard roberts ) was lost at sea...

Hello The Raven

Would very much appreciate a photo of your Grandfather Richard Roberts. You will see from my recent post that my Gt Uncle makes reference to the 'Merse' in his notebook. Any other info on this trawler would also be most welcome.

Best regards

Rob

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thank you bob for that the only info on the merse i have is what is written in this topic , have not been able to do anything for a while due to illness, but in the new year will start again ,

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Hello theraven

Ref : Armed Trawler 'Merse'

Thank you very much indeed for the photo of Richard Roberts. If you come across any more information on the crew or the armed trawler then do please let me know. Rest assurred I will keep you informed of any information that I get hold of.

I am researching several armed trawlers that were based at Ardrossan, Scotland in WW1.

Best regards

Rob

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