Keith Baker Posted 22 September , 2005 Share Posted 22 September , 2005 Hello everyone, Firstly i will apologise to everyone if I am doing something wrong but it is my first attempt at doing this. I am looking for information on Second Lieutenant John Poynton of The Royal Warwickshire Fusiliers. He died on 4th of October 1917 and is buried in Poelcapelle cemetery in Belgium. I am trying to find out how he died and if he had any medal awarded to him. Thanks. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 22 September , 2005 Share Posted 22 September , 2005 Just a quickie (as an extended member of the Regimental family and friend of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment Museum).. but he wouldn't have been a Royal Warwickshire FUSILIER in 1917, as the regiment didn't go 'Fusilier' until 1963. Here's his entry from the Commonwealth War Graves Commission database: Name: POYNTON, JOHN Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment: Royal Warwickshire Regiment Unit Text: 1st/6th Bn. Age: 22 Date of Death: 04/10/1917 Additional information: Son of Edward Poynton, of Ashby, Burton-on-Trent; husband of Olive Turner (formerly Poynton), of Anglo Cottage, Killingworth Rd., Forest Hall, Newcastle-on-Tyne. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: LI. E. 18. Cemetery: POELCAPELLE BRITISH CEMETERY No indication of any awards, but his medal index card might be around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 22 September , 2005 Share Posted 22 September , 2005 He may not have had a gallantry medal, but this is probably his MIC (only Poynton in Royal Warwickshire Regiment who served abroad - who's not called Frank): Medal card of Poynton, John Corps Regiment No Rank North Staffordshire Regiment 7897 Private Royal Warwickshire Regiment Second Lieutenant http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...&resultcount=11 The link is just to the download page. Cost is £3.50 for a scan of the actual MIC. This should list his Service Medals, at least and may refer to other medals, too. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Baker Posted 22 September , 2005 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2005 Sorry Phil meant to say regiment and not fusiliers. Do you know where I would find his Medal record card? p.s We went to Poelcapelle War cemetery Last week to visit his grave. Also thanks to Steve foryour input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 22 September , 2005 Share Posted 22 September , 2005 Keith, Click the link Steve put in his reply. That will give you the entry in the Index. But (as Steve says) it will cost you £3.50 to download the scan - but cheaper than a dedicated trip to Kew (where they're held on microfilm) if you're a long way away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Baker Posted 22 September , 2005 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2005 Thanks Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brindlerp Posted 22 September , 2005 Share Posted 22 September , 2005 1st/6th Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment, 143rd Brigade, 48th Division. Pages 170 and 171 from Chapter XXI The British Offensive 1917, from "The Story of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment" by C.L. Kingsford. A map of this battle can be found here: http://www.westernfrontassociation.com/the...ps/ypres17c.jpg Regards Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Hone Posted 23 September , 2005 Share Posted 23 September , 2005 The 'Fusilier' designation is a bit of a sore point with some old Warwicks. I think I've related the story on the forum before but they were only turned into a Fusilier unit in the 1960's to facilitate their eventual absorption into one of the 'large regiments' proposed in army reorganisation. The original intention had been for the Regiment to be included in a territorially-based grouping, at various times designated the Midland Brigade Group and the Forester Brigade. Eventually they got lumped into the Fusilier Brigade (later the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers) partly because the Fusiliers had a recruiting office in Sutton Coldfield and partly because of their position in the old Army List between the 5th ( Northumberland Fusiliers) and 7th (Royal Fusiliers) Regiments of Foot. The man who had the final say in this was none other than Field Marshal Montgomery of Alamein, the senior serving infantryman in the British Army and Colonel of the Royal Warwickshire Regiment with whom he had seen distinguished service in the Great War and after. The matter was so controversial that some senior officers never spoke to one another again. Referring to the 'Royal Warwickshire Fusiliers' to some veterans of the Regiment is calculated to make the hackles rise (to coin a Fusilier phrase). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Baker Posted 23 September , 2005 Author Share Posted 23 September , 2005 I would like to thank each and everyone of you for the help I have recieved. As a civvy I had no idea where to start looking and I am greatly impressed with your knowledge and expertise. This will all be passed on to my father in law as John Poynton was his Grandfather. Once again thank you Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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