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Desmond7

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Was looking at old CDs today ... here's The Jam's Setting Sons album cover.

Just struck me that it looks very like a WW1 memorial ... is it based on an actual statue? Or were they just taking artistic licence. The album does feature 'Eton Rifles'?

Des

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Was looking at old CDs today ... here's The Jam's Setting Sons album cover.

Awww. Bless. Nostalgia ain't wot it used to be. Innit?

My Jam music is on those old fashioned big round black plastic things. Hole in the middle. Yer mam & dad will remember 'em.

John

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Sadly I still have my vinyl .. even more sadly I don't have anyfink to play em on.

Scratches rool KO

Des

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Was looking at old CDs today ... here's The Jam's Setting Sons album cover.

Just struck me that it looks very like a WW1 memorial ... is it based on an actual statue? Or were they just taking artistic licence. The album does feature 'Eton Rifles'?

Des

IIRC the inner cover picture of this LP has a "job lot" of military related items: lead soldiers, a formation sign etc.

I suspect that these were just artists props that they had to hand. Reason being that the sign was actually a WW2 American one. It was the patch for Patton's 3rd Army.

Cheers then mate etc etc

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Methinks you're right!

Oh well .. bang goes another theory!!

Best wishes

Des

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Little boy soldiers must be one of the best Jam album tracks ever.

A great late 70`s early 80`s album , almost as good as Unknown Pleasures by the best band ever ?

Roland.

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Or ... Michael Vaughan my lord, Michael Vaughan ... Oh Lord, Michael Vaughan?

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Little boy soldiers must be one of the best Jam album tracks ever.

A  great late 70`s early 80`s album , almost as good as Unknown Pleasures by the best band ever ?

Roland.

Took the words right out of my mouth! :lol:

LITTLE BOY SOLDIERS - Paul Weller

Its funny how you never knew what my name was,

Our only contact was a form for the election.

These days I find that you don't listen,

These days I find that we're out of touch,

These days I find that I'm too busy,

So why the attention now you want my assistance -

what have you done for me?

You've gone and got yourself in trouble,

Now you want me to help you out.

These days I find that I can't be bothered,

These days I find that its all too much,

To pick up a gun and shoot a stranger,

But I've got no choice so here I come - war games.

I'm up on the hills playing little boy soldiers,

Reconnaissance duty up at 5:30.

Shoot shoot shoot and kill the natives,

You're one of us and we love you for that.

Think of honour, Queen and country.

You're a blessed son of the British Empire,

God's on our side and so is Washington.

Come out on the hills with the little boy soldiers.

Come on outside - I'll sing you a lullabye,

And tell the tale of how goodness prevailed.

We ruled the world - we killed and robbed,

The ******* lot - but we don't feel bad.

It was done beneath the the flag of democracy,

You'll believe - and I do, yes I do - yes I do -

Yes I do -

These days I find that I can't be bothered,

To argue with them - well, what's the point?

Better to take your shots and drop down dead,

then they send you home in a pine overcoat.

With a letter to your mum

Saying 'find enclosed one son, one medal' - and a note to say he won.

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As far as I know 'Eton Rifles' was actually about the class system .. and had a few pasing digs about the time Weller and Co got a thumping from a few rugby players. Legend says The Jam were nicked but the players got off.

Des

Sup up your beer and collect your fags,

There’s a row going on down near slough,

Get out your mat and pray to the west,

I’ll get out mine and pray for myself.

Thought you were smart when you took them on,

But you didn’t take a peep in their artillery room,

All that rugby puts hairs on your chest,

What chance have you got against a tie and a crest.

Hello-hurrah - what a nice day - for the eton rifles,

Hello-hurrah - I hope rain stops play - with the eton rifles.

Thought you were clever when you lit the fuse,

Tore down the house of commons in your brand new shoes,

Compose a revolutionary symphony,

Then went to bed with a charming young thing.

Hello-hurrah - cheers then mate - it’s the eton rifles,

Hello-hurrah - an extremist scrape - with the eton rifles.

What a catalyst you turned out to be,

Loaded the guns then you run off home for your tea,

Left me standing - like a guilty (naughty) schoolboy.

We came out of it naturally the worst,

Beaten and bloody and I was sick down my shirt,

We were no match for their untamed wit,

Though some of the lads said they’ll be back next week.

Hello-hurrah - there’s a price to pay - to the eton rifles,

Hello-hurrah - I’d prefer the plague - to the eton rifles.

Hello-hurrah - there’s a price to pay - to the eton rifles,

Hello-hurrah - I’d prefer the plague - to the eton rifles.

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Yep,

Paul Weller was an angry young man in those days - Red Wedge and all that...changed a bit now of course. ;) Never knew there were so many Jam fans on here, ahhh, happy days of my youth - the mod revival at the very beginning of the 1980's - Carnaby Street in our boating blazers and purple suede Gibsons...

'That's Entertainment' was always my favourite Jam track or perhaps 'Dreams of Children'...

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Well, if we're sharing favourite Jam tracks, how about "In the City", "Town called malice" or - best of all "Down in the tube station at midnight"?

Great days: now we have McFly.

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- best of all "Down in the tube station at midnight"?

Totally agree 100% - it is the best - lyrically superb.

Glyn

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Nice to see so many Jam fans on this site! :D

What about classics such as English Rose and Thick as Thieves. The latter is very poignant for me in that a mate and me used to sing that all the time and it all came true as we grew up.

Times were so tough, but not as tough as they are now,

We were so close and nothing came between us - and the world -

No personal situations.

Thick as thieves us, we'd stick together for all time,

and we meant it but it turns out just for a while,

we stole - the friendship that bound us together -

We stole from the schools and their libraries,

We stole from the drugs that sent us to sleep,

We stole from the drink that made us sick,

We stole anything that we couldn't keep,

And it was enough - we didn't have to spoil anything,

And always be as thick as thieves.

Like a perfect stranger - you came into my life,

Then like the perfect lone ranger - you rode away - rode away,

rode away - rode away.

We stole the love from young girls in ivory towers,

We stole autumn leaves and summer showers,

We stole the silent wind that says you are free,

We stole everything that we could see,

But it wasn't enough - and now we've gone and spoiled everthing,

Now we're no longer as thick as thieves.

You came into my life -

Then like a perfect stranger you walked away - walked away -

walked away - walked away.

Thick as thieves us - we'd stick together for all time,

and we meant it but it turns out just for awhile,

we stole the friendship that bound us together.

We stole the burning sun in the open sky,

We stole the twinkling stars in the black night,

We stole the green belt fields that made us believe,

We stole everything that we could see.

But something came along that changes our minds,

I don't know what and I don't know why,

But we seemed to grow up in a flash of time,

While we watched our ideals helplessly unwind.

No - we're no longer as thick as thieves - no,

We're not as thick as we used to be - no,

We're no longer as thick as thieves - no,

We're not as thick as we used to be -

no it wasn't enough - and we've gone and spoiled everything

Now we're no longer as thick as thieves.

Ah those were the days! B)

Down in the Tube Station also get my vote! ;)

Steve

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Life from a window, I'm just taking in the view . . .

Luh luh luh luh luh London girls . . .

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Is it me or do Setting Sons and All Mods Con sound better on CD audio-wise?

Always loved That's Entertainment and have to say Compact Snap has a tendency to get stuck in the old CD player for weeks at a time.

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Neil,

I'd agree, I bought the Jam box set years ago and replaced all my albums (I still kept the vinyl ones) and they do sound better.

Steve

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Is it pretentious to say that "Thick as Thieves" is almost a modern "Auld lang syne"?

Oh, yes, the really good news is that my 15 year-old daughter quite likes the occasional spot of Mr Weller's oeuvre. And that IS pretentious!

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Steve,

You've got a point there.

I don't know about you, but it evokes so many memories for me of growing up in a seaside town.

Another one that gets me going is 'When You're Young'.

Life is timeless, days are long when you're young

You used to fall in love with everyone

Any guitar and any bass drum

Life is a drink and you get drunk when you're young

Life is new and there's things to be done

You can't wait to be grown up

Acceptance into the capital world

You pull on some weed, then you pull on someone when you're young

But you find out life isn't like that

It's so hard to comprehend

Why you set up your dreams to have them smashed in the end

But you don't mind you've got time on your side

And they're never gonna make you stand in line

You're just waiting for the right time

You're fearless and brave - you can't be stopped when you're young

You swear you're never ever gonna work for someone

No corporations for the new age sons

Tears of rage roll down your face

But still you say "it's fun"

And you find out life isn't like that

It's so hard to understand

Why the world is your oyster but your future's a clam

It's got you in its grip before you're born

It's done with the use of a dice and a board

They let you think you're king but you're really a pawn

You're fearless and brave - you can't be stopped when you're young

You used to fall in love with everyone

Any guitar and any bass drum

Good to hear that your daughter is becoming a fan, I'll have to try it with my girls, mind you they're 6 and 9 so maybe not just yet! :lol:

Steve

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The sheer anger of Tube Station makes it a music/literary classic. Personally I would have it on a poetry course for sixth formers. It would also be good for a good social history discussion about the time it portrays.

Magic.

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The Jam were much better live. I have a couple of bootleg live LP's; The Butterfly Collector and Live in Liverpool. I must get them digitised.

I was lucky enough to see them at Brighton Centre in 1982. My mum wasn't too impressed as I left to catch the coach in my Lonsdale cycling top, boating jacket, staypress trousers, parka (no badges) and bowling shoes.

" 'Cause I hate you and your wife,

And if I get the chance I'll **** up your life"

Oh happy days

Mr Clean

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parka (no badges) .

Mr Clean

My Parka had The Jam sew-on badge ( thanks Mum )on the left arm and a Union Jack Who badge on the other.No target on the back as it led to unwanted trouble

Roland. B)

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The sheer anger of Tube Station makes it a music/literary classic. Personally I would have it on a poetry course for sixth formers. It would also be good for a good social history discussion about the time it portrays.

Magic.

Yup, with you there Desmond.

I like the line:

The last thing that I saw

As I lay there on the floor

Was jesus saves painted by an atheist nutter

And a british rail poster read have an awayday - a cheap holiday -

Do it today!

He was really angry then wasn't he! :D

Roland,

Don't go there!

I remember going out in my bowling shoes, a stripey blazer, button down shirt, cravat, prince of wales check trousers! I thought I was the dog's danglies! :lol:

Steve

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