michel knockaert Posted 1 February , 2007 Share Posted 1 February , 2007 James, greyhound answered very correctly your question in my place and I thank it. I do not have anything to add to it for the moment… separately the joined photograph which I took while being upright on the headland planned for the construction of the new chapel (the clear brick farm is behind me). you can see in the foreground the new “rue du Bois” and behind the low wall which surrounds the deposit of stones under which the old road is. Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhound Posted 1 February , 2007 Share Posted 1 February , 2007 So, Michel, ...... we are looking at what is probably the very spot where Father Gleeson gave the Absolution? (I have to say that what gets to me is that little word - "Last".) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 1 February , 2007 Share Posted 1 February , 2007 Hi greyhound, to answer your question, perhaps yes, except for some meters, or perhaps no… it is necessary that I check with the plans that the owner should show me soon. indeed, it is not certain that the site of the future news chapel is exactly opposite where was that which was demolished in 1970 for the new road and… it is absolutely not sure that this one was rebuilt in 1929 exactly at the same place as that built about 1840 and who was destroyed during the First World War… am I clear ? For the moment, let us be rational and say very prudently that could be a serious assumption. I have in reserve some pretty photographs in my double sack which could tear off you well some tears… Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 2 February , 2007 Share Posted 2 February , 2007 Tears? bring it on! Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 2 February , 2007 Share Posted 2 February , 2007 For the moment, let us be rational and say very prudently that could be a serious assumption. I have in reserve some pretty photographs in my double sack which could tear off you well some tears… Michel Michel, In your reply to greyhound, I note your comment and accept that the location is taken as a 'serious assumption'. Looking forward to more photos. I have also only caught up with the previous threads which escaped me and noticed answers that explain the question of 'Christ of the Trenches' discussion. I have been jumping the gun as they say !. Many thanks. James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audax Posted 2 February , 2007 Share Posted 2 February , 2007 Michel, Is it possible that there are large scale maps which might show the site of the original chapel and the site of the rebuilt chapel? Perhaps the Department responsible for the Roads in the area might have some? Or Town Council? In England we have large scale 'Ordnance Survey' maps which would solve your problems in locationg the location of the chapel. A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 2 February , 2007 Share Posted 2 February , 2007 Audax, thank you very much for this suggestion. but my professional occupation leads me to work with the departmental services of the roadway system where I have some friends and I already questioned, at the beginning of this investigation, one of them which is responsible, between other, of the sector of “la rue du Bois”. the departmental services underwent these last years, within the framework of the decentralislation, several removals and the conservation of the files suffered much. But I do not despair! Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 2 February , 2007 Share Posted 2 February , 2007 James, look at the size of this crucifix. It was one of the both of Neuve-chapelle, in the middle of the ruins of the village. unfortunately I am unable to say which. Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 3 February , 2007 Share Posted 3 February , 2007 James, look at the size of this crucifix. It was one of the both of Neuve-chapelle, in the middle of the ruins of the village. unfortunately I am unable to say which. Michel Michel, When I compare the photo with that of Christ of the Trenches, there appears to be a difference in the form of the sculpture. The head is slightly turned down and the cloth girdling the waste looks different. So perhaps it was the other cross you mentioned. Have you been able to get the photo of the plaque that is in the Town hall of RICHEBOURG. I just wish I could get to France and walk the the whole area with you as my guide, it would be very enlightening. Regards, James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 4 February , 2007 Share Posted 4 February , 2007 James, you are right certainly with regard to this crucifix, if he is not the Christ of the trenches, by deduction, he undoubtedly acts of the other and I will test, with my colleagues of the Town hall of NEUVE-CHAPELLE, of more. With regard to the plaque of the chapel Notre-Dame de Séez, I did not go yet to the town hall of RICHEBOURG but that will not delay. Lastly, when you come to FRANCE, I will have a pleasure of on the spot taking you along for you do not waste time to seek. Friendly Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted 4 February , 2007 Share Posted 4 February , 2007 Michel, I hope that we may get to meet you when we get to France later in the year. Cheers Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 4 February , 2007 Share Posted 4 February , 2007 Kim, of course, it'is with a great pleasure that I'll meet you when you come in france friendly Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wig Posted 4 February , 2007 Share Posted 4 February , 2007 fabulous thread, the paintining is now my screen saviour and is continually a strong and moving image. wig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 5 February , 2007 Share Posted 5 February , 2007 Hi all, to make you have patience here a new photograph of "la rue du Bois". you can see the site of the old turn which is under the deposit of stones and after the gate. Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 7 February , 2007 Share Posted 7 February , 2007 James, here something interesting about “la tombe Willot” with LOCON, where Munsters were in billet before leaving towards the frontline on May 8, 1915 and receiving the last absolution with RICHEBOURG. I found this small explanation concerning the origin of the name of “la rue de la tombe Willot” on official Internet site of the Town hall of LOCON: http://www.ville-locon.fr/connaitre-notre-...s-anecdotes.htm "Exemple :pourquoi une route se dénomme-t-elle "Rue de la Tombe Willot" ? - Il y aurait eu, sous Louis XIV, pendant les guerres avec l'Espagne et les Pays-Bas, la tombe d'un soldat Irlandais, à l'entrée de la rue du Haut-Prieur, dans l'angle et le confluent des deux rues. C'est une légende orale ! Vraie ou fausse? On ne le sait pas." Translation : “ Exemple :why a road name does “rue de la tombe Willot”? - There would have been, under Louis XIV, during the wars with Spain and the Netherlands, the grave of an Irish soldier, with the entry of "la rue du Haut Prieur", in the angle and the confluence of the two streets. It is an oral legend! True or false? It is not known.” You see at least one Irish was already last at this place is well before the First World War, does not say one that the history ever repeats....? Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isadore Posted 7 February , 2007 Share Posted 7 February , 2007 Facanating Thread which I have been following for a while. By total coincidence I visited a new exhibition in Dublin Ireland on military history in the National Museum. The section on the Great War starts with a print of the painting and they have Father Gleesons diary - open on the page for the day following the battle. Keep up the good work Isadore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 8 February , 2007 Share Posted 8 February , 2007 James, here something interesting about “la tombe Willot” with LOCON, where Munsters were in billet before leaving towards the frontline on May 8, 1915 and receiving the last absolution with RICHEBOURG. [snip] Michel Michel, Thank for the information about the “la tombe Willot” connection, it very is interesting to say the least. The 'Irish Brigades' fought on many a battlefield going back in history. Down through the ages Irishmen have been engaged in fighting battles, either between their own clans, or against the dominance of Foreign and British invaders, at times they fought for and against the British, and the sad history of Ireland witnessed family's fighting on opposing sides. King Edward I recruited Irish light cavalry to serve in his English Army in France in the 100 years War and to patrol the English border with Scotland. In 1243, they fought for the Plantagenets against their fellow Celts, the Welsh. In 1485, they fought with the Yorkists against the Lancastrians in the Wars of the Roses. When the wars of religion swept through Europe setting Catholic against Protestant, the Irish were to be found fighting for both sides. As early as the 1520's, Irish troops were to be found in the Netherlands. During the English Civil War, the Stuart kings hired a large Irish Army to fight the parliamentary forces of Cromwell in England and Scotland. In July 1644, Alasdair MacColla landed in Scotland with 2,500 Irish veteran soldiers. At the Battle of Tippermuir (1644) and Aberdeen (1644), the Irish Regiments held the centre of the line and with the Highland Clans developed the famed highland charge. I must visit the link you provided. Thanks again Michel, James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 8 February , 2007 Share Posted 8 February , 2007 Great lesson of History, James merci beaucoup Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyhound Posted 8 February , 2007 Share Posted 8 February , 2007 An Irish soldier in the army of Louis XV retired to Cognac and started a business .... Richard HENNESSY ... Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 8 February , 2007 Share Posted 8 February , 2007 hi greyhound, thank you very much, as we say in France, each day which passes where you do not have nothing learned is one day lost .... Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 8 February , 2007 Share Posted 8 February , 2007 Hi all, and if we returned a little to the chapel to continue our journey in the time ? here a copy of the map of the sector of “la rue du Bois” going back to 1961 ..... I let to you study it a little! it is a little cerebral work for the exploring brilliances which you all are… Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckop4 Posted 8 February , 2007 Share Posted 8 February , 2007 Michel, Came across this little poem by Rudyard Kipling:- The Irish Guards by Rudyard Kipling We're not so old in the Army list, But we're not so young at our trade, For we had the honour at Fontenoy, Of meeting the Guards' Brigade. 'Twas Lally, Dillon, Buckley, Clare, And Lee that led us then, And after a hundred and seventy years, We're fighting for France again. Old Days! The wild geese are flighting Head to the storm as they faced it before! For where there are Irish there's bound to be fighting, And when there's no fighting, it's Ireland no more Ireland no more! The fashion's all for khaki now, But once through France we went Full-dressed in scarlet Army cloth, The English-left at Ghent. They're fighting on our side to-day But, before they changed their clothes, The half of Europe knew our fame, As all of Ireland knows! Old Days! The wild geese are flying Head to the storm as they faced it before! For where there are Irish there's memory undying, And when we forget, it is Ireland no more Ireland no more! From Barry Wood to Gouzeaucourt, From Boyne to Pilkem Ridge, The ancient days come back no more Than water under the bridge. But the bridge it stands and the water runs As red as yesterday, And the Irish move to the sound of the guns Like salmon to the sea. Old Days! The wild geese are ranging, Head to the storm as they faced it before! For where there are Irish their hearts are unchanging, And when they are changed, it is Ireland no more! Ireland no more! We're not so old in the Army list but, But we're not so new in the ring. For we carried our packs with Marshal Saxe When Louis was our King. But Douglas Haig's our marshal now, And we're King George's men After One hundred and seventy years We're fighting for France again. Ah, France! And did we stand by you Then life was made splendid with gifts, and rewards? Ah, France! And will we deny you In the hour of your agony, Mother of Swords? Old Days! The wild geese are flighting, Head to the storm as they faced it before, For where there are Irish, there's loving and fighting, And when we stop either, It's Ireland no more! Ireland no more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 8 February , 2007 Share Posted 8 February , 2007 thank you jpc, lovely poem, not easy to translate in french with keeping all his deepy Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 9 February , 2007 Share Posted 9 February , 2007 Hi all, here is a postcard kindly gived to me yesterday evening by Jean-Marie, owner of the chapel; I was going back at home with things so wonderfull... you are not at the end of your surprises. Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 9 February , 2007 Share Posted 9 February , 2007 Hi all, here is a postcard kindly gived to me yesterday evening by Jean-Marie, owner of the chapel; I was going back at home with things so wonderfull... you are not at the end of your surprises. Michel Michel, A piece of history indeed, thank you for sharing the image with us. James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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