bernardmcilwaine Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 can anyone explain why three brothers who were killed in ww1,were all born in different places,the brothers are only a year apart in age but one was born in edgeley,one in ashton and one in west bromwich,going off the census they dont seem to be related at all,the men are william,george fred,and john skarratt all listed on stockport war memorial,i have info on two of these men but ime not confident about passing it on to john hartley till its been properly vetted,i would appreciate any help in connecting them,i dont fancy suffering the wrath of a brigadier by feeding him the wrong info,bernard sorry i forgot to say,the cwgc say they are bros mandy
ypres1418 Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 if they were all born in different places and seem to be related on the census are you sure they are brothers, sorry Bernard, not trying to be difficult, Mandy, i know you are very knowledgeable but you did not say how you came across the fact they are brothers, just being nosey! M
bernardmcilwaine Posted 8 June , 2005 Author Posted 8 June , 2005 hello mandy,there are only four skarratts who were killed in ww1,three were bros,two of those george+john were m/c coppers,but my info doesnt say they were bros,when i checked the census[1901] john seems to be the son of john skarratt,of west brom,george was born in edgeley and william is not even on the census,ime baffled,bernard
ypres1418 Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 you got me baffled too now! i hope someone can come up with an answer and soon! orthwise i'll get a headache and have to go and lie down! Mandy
bernardmcilwaine Posted 8 June , 2005 Author Posted 8 June , 2005 mandy,if ww1 was easy,nobody would bother with it,ww1 was started to give future generations headaches ime convinced of it,i have just phoned the lad at the police museum and he has no record of them being bros either,bernard
John_Hartley Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 Surely the simplest answer is the most likely. It's an uncommon name so there is bound to be a family connection somewhere. I know a Skarratt locally so will enquire if they are his relatives. I see from CWGC that one of them lists next of kin as the father living in Warrington, whilst another lists notes it as being a deceased mother. Perhaps suggests that they are not brothers. The oldest is, I think, the one born in West Brom. Perhaps suggesting that the family originated from that area and then moved to the Stockport area. Neither here nor there that one was born in Ashton the other in Edgeley. They are, after all, only down the road from each other. Or, of course, the West Brom one may be a cousin commemroated on the Stockport memorial by his family living in the town whilst they were commemorating their two sons. Perhaps there will be something in the newspaper archive (strong likelihood if two were coppers). None of the their units are on my research schedule for this year so no pnaic - but, in due course, I'd appreciate what you have on them, Bernard.
John_Hartley Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 John Skarratt, the one born in West Brom, has his NoK listed by CWGC as being his wife (living in Gorton, East Manchester). He is, presumably, the J Skarratt commemorated on the GWR Roll of Honour as working for the Signals Dept of the railway at West Ealing (I don't know of such a place round here, so it must be the one in London). John
bernardmcilwaine Posted 8 June , 2005 Author Posted 8 June , 2005 hiya john,the info i have is not good enough for your research,i have already made copys of photos i have of john and george and the little bit of info regarding their term of police service,the cwgc say william,george and john are brothers???all three are on your memorial,pity i couldnt find one of william,but there may be something at stocky library john,the photos will be with you in the morning,i have only included info that is bona fide, to guess at anything else will only disrupt your research,john are you only doing those on the memorial,i ask because i have some from levenshulme who were born in stocky but are not listed,ps youll like these pics that ime sending,you wont find em in stocky library,i may have more somewhere,when i find em consider them sent,bernard
bernardmcilwaine Posted 8 June , 2005 Author Posted 8 June , 2005 john,am i guessing that you are taking the units by the order of which they are listed on the memorial,bernard
John_Hartley Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 Bernard My plans are not yet sufficiently advanced to be able to reply here, but will drop you a PM. John
linge Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 Bernard 1901 Census 39, Lomas St., Stockport John Skarratt, Head, Aged 48 years, Cotton mill mechanic, Wolverhampton, Staffs Annie Skarratt, Wife, Aged 43 years, Born West Bromwich, Staffs Mary Skarratt, Dau, Aged 20 years, Packer Confectionery works, West Bromwich Staffs Clara Skarratt, Dau, Aged 17 years, West Bromwich Staffs John Skarratt, Son, Aged 15 years, Public House Barman, West Bromwich Staffs George H Skarratt, Son, Aged 13 years, Stockport Cheshire William Skarratt, Son, Aged 10 years, Stockport Cheshire Sarah Skarratt, Dau, Aged 8 years, Stockport Cheshire Gladys Skarratt, Dau, Aged 6 years, Stockport Cheshire Lucy Skarratt, Dau, Aged 5 years, Stockport Cheshire The 1891 Census has the family at 59, Ridgway Lane, Stockport George then aged 3 years is listed as George F. Skarratt (George Frederick ?). The 1881 Census the family are at 2, Tildasley St., W. Bromwich the mother's name is listed as Eliza A (so probably Eliza Annie). SDGW has the brothers born as follows George Frederick, Manchester William, Stockport Cheshire John, West Bromwich Staffs Next of Kin per CWGC are William, Mother Mrs Eliza Ann Skarratt John, Husband of Annie Etta Skarratt (aged 33 years) George Frederick, Father Mr J. Skarratt This would appear to be the family and the three brothers who died. Hope this is of help Regards Pam
bernardmcilwaine Posted 8 June , 2005 Author Posted 8 June , 2005 pam,you are a genius,i found them in the 1881 census,didnt they have two children called gertrude and annie back then,the reason i couldnt find them in the 1901 is because eliz is using her middle name,but theres no chance of me coming up with a result like yours,hope i get chance to repay you for this,bernard
ypres1418 Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 seems to me it is 'sorted' no headache tonight, mandy
linge Posted 8 June , 2005 Posted 8 June , 2005 Bernard Actually my husband Ken and I do have an interest in George Frederick Skarratt as he is on the Thiepval Memorial and we have created and maintain the database which is located at the new visitor centre which records details and photos of the men commemorated on the memorial. Currently we have info on only 3,000 of the 72,000 so some way to go yet. We have a record for George (with only minimal information) and the only photo we have is of him on a group photo of Manchester Police serving in the Grenadier guards taken at the Guards Depot, Caterham in May 1915. If you had any better photos and any of his brothers (all our records where info is available contain details of siblings who served) we would love to include them in the database that is if you were happy to pass them on to us? Regards Pam
bernardmcilwaine Posted 8 June , 2005 Author Posted 8 June , 2005 hello pam,am i glad you asked for that,i have a photo of both john and george,the one i have of george is the same as yours,but how about one of john in his bobbys uniform,bernard,if you want,i can e,mail it to you pm me.
linge Posted 9 June , 2005 Posted 9 June , 2005 Bernard The answer is yes please. I have sent you a PM with details. Thanks Pam
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