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Notts & Der.Officer group photos recently acquired


Anthony Bagshaw

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A number of the officers appear in all three photos.

Obviously they all belong together!

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I get the impression that it's the 1930s, and possibly Territorial.

Some of them look a little too 'comfy' to be Regular officers.

Watching with interest...

Graeme

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Graeme,

I think you might be right saying they are Territorial. A few of them do appear to have the 'T' on their shoulders.

1930's you say?

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I'm not even sure it's Notts & Derby.....

I can't quite make out the cap badge, but it doesn't look right....

Definitely post war, post depression. It's a very informal photoraph, everyone seems relaxed and jolly. 1930s, definitely.

Graeme

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Hi Graeme,

Definitely is Notts & Derby. I have looked at the originals under an eye glass and they are the bronze type. (I have a few with medals in my collection)

Thank you for your information on the date, very much appreciated.

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The fellow in the Civvies is I believe the Duke of Portland

Cliff,

If you don't mind me asking which one of the two is he?

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Anthony,

Sorry, the one I believe is the Duke of Portland is the one in the centre, I have a vague recollection having read somewhere he was the Honorary Colonel or some such.

Cliff.

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Thanks for that info Cliff, very much appreciated.

I have sent the photos off to the museum, i eagerly await their reply.

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  • 3 years later...
Photo 1

As promised Anthony here are the names of the Officers in your picture, the gentleman in the civvies is Sir Godfrey Davenport Goodman who was one time C.O. of the 6th Battalion and the other in civvies is Robert James Wilkins who retired in 1936, if you need the other pictures you have identifying please let me know.

Officer identification. Taken at Redcar Camp, Yorks, 1936.

(5th Battalion) T.A.

Standing left to right.

Lt. R.C.WRIGHT, 2ND/LT J.E.FRYER, LT/QM J.F.HALLAM, LT A.S.T.PRICE, 2ND/LT K.T.WILLIAMS, 2ND/LT B.G.BUTLER, LT L.C.THORNTON, 2ND/LT G.F.HODGKINSON, 2ND/LT F.J.G.GALLIGAN, LT T.A.WALTON, 2ND/LT P.ROOK, LT E.H.STAFFORD.

Sitting left to right.

CAPT J.W.S.FLETCHER, CAPT J.N.CLARK-MAXWELL, MAJ P.J.STOKES. MB. RAMC, CAPT N.A. McD. WALKER (ADJ), BRIG GEN SIR GODFREY D GOODMAN KCB.CMG.DSO.VD.TD.DL.ADC.(CHAIRMAN DERBYSHIRE T.A. ASSOCIATION), LT/COL W.T.GREENFIELD (OC), MAJ R.J.WILKINS, MAJ J.H.ROE. (2IC), CAPT P.A.ROBINSON, CAPT F.W.BARNETT, LT H.W.KING.

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Bronno,

That is absolutely fabulous, how do you know who the Officers are and where the photos were taken?

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Bronno,

That is absolutely fabulous, how do you know who the Officers are and where the photos were taken?

I have a vast archive of pictures, regimental histories, war diaries etc in my library dedicated to this regiment. ;)

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Bronno,

Was invigilating an exam yesterday in the hall at Fulneck School and, as you do, started studying the honours boards. Two WW1 officers stood out with MC awards, both Notts and Derby Regiment.

Lt. Col. V O Robinson. MC and 2bars.

Capt. E Kershaw. MC and bar.

With 5 Military Crosses between the two of them I wondered if there were well known events or actions I could connect to these two Old Boys.

Another Old Boy was Herbert Asquith, but he was a civilian, though he had children.........

Phil.

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Bronno,

Was invigilating an exam yesterday in the hall at Fulneck School and, as you do, started studying the honours boards. Two WW1 officers stood out with MC awards, both Notts and Derby Regiment.

Lt. Col. V O Robinson. MC and 2bars.

Capt. E Kershaw. MC and bar.

With 5 Military Crosses between the two of them I wondered if there were well known events or actions I could connect to these two Old Boys.

Another Old Boy was Herbert Asquith, but he was a civilian, though he had children.........

Phil.

Hi Phil, some information with regards to these two Notts and Derby Officers.

Victor Owen Robinson was awarded his Military Crosses whilst serving with the 6th Battalion (Notts and Derbys), his first was Gazetted 18th November 1915 (Hohenzollern Redoubt), the 1st Bar L.G. 18th June 1917, 2nd Bar was won whilst attached to the 8th Battalion (Notts and Derbys) L.G. 8th March 1919 (Regnicourt 17th October 1918).

Edward Kershaw was awarded his M.C. he led a strong fighting patrol in daylight obtaining useful information, L.G. 26th April 1917, for gallantry at Montbrehain on 3rd October 1918, Bar L.G. 8th March 1919. BRONNO.

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Thanks Bronno.

May well be the start of another project. There is a Roll of Honour 1914-1918 but temporarily hidden behind a projector screen. My two Officers, the other 6 Award recipients, and those who died will soon be getting due Remembrance.

Cheers for now, Phil.

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Hi Bronno,

Terrific, many thanks.

Were the other 2 taken around the same time and include more or less the same Officers?

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Photo 3

Here are names of Officers from photo 3. but I can't quite make out any from photo 2 but should be possibly recognised from the other pictures. BRONNO.

Officers 5th Battalion Halton 1938.

Back Row,

2/Lt J.E.Fryer, D.D.Wallace, Lt A.S.T.Price, 2/Lt K.T.Williams, Lt L.W.Norfolk, 2/Lt F.J.G.Galligan, Lt S.F.Mill, Lt (QM) J.F.Hallam, Lt E.H.Stafford, 2/Lt P Rook.

Seated.

Capt J.W.S.Fletcher, Capt J.N.Clark-Maxwell, Maj N.A.McD Walker (Adj), Maj P.J.Stokes RAMC, Brig D.M.A.Sole D.S.O. (O.C. 148th Brigade), Lt/Col W.T.Greenfield, TD, Maj Gen Sir F.B.Maurice, K.C.M.G. C.B., LL.D, D.LIT, Lt/Col H.A.F. Crewdson. T.D. (O.C. 8th Battalion), Maj J.H.ROE, TD, Maj B.D.Shaw, MM, Capt P.M.Robinson, Capt F.W.Barnett, Rev A Inglis, C.F.

In Front.

2/Lt E.J.Morgan, N.S.Thorpe, G.S.Aspdin.

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Bronno,

Thanks again my friend.

I haven't checked CWGC but were any of these chaps killed during the Second World War do you know?

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Here are names of Officers from photo 3. but I can't quite make out any from photo 2 but should be possibly recognised from the other pictures. BRONNO.

Officers 5th Battalion Halton 1938.

Back Row,

2/Lt J.E.Fryer, D.D.Wallace, Lt A.S.T.Price, 2/Lt K.T.Williams, Lt L.W.Norfolk, 2/Lt F.J.G.Galligan, Lt S.F.Mill, Lt (QM) J.F.Hallam, Lt E.H.Stafford, 2/Lt P Rook.

Seated.

Capt J.W.S.Fletcher, Capt J.N.Clark-Maxwell, Maj N.A.McD Walker (Adj), Maj P.J.Stokes RAMC, Brig D.M.A.Sole D.S.O. (O.C. 148th Brigade), Lt/Col W.T.Greenfield, TD, Maj Gen Sir F.B.Maurice, K.C.M.G. C.B., LL.D, D.LIT, Lt/Col H.A.F. Crewdson. T.D. (O.C. 8th Battalion), Maj J.H.ROE, TD, Maj B.D.Shaw, MM, Capt P.M.Robinson, Capt F.W.Barnett, Rev A Inglis, C.F.

In Front.

2/Lt E.J.Morgan, N.S.Thorpe, G.S.Aspdin.

Rather late, sorry. As G S Aspdin was my father I can personally vouch the correctness of him, and also, as I remember them as friends of my father in latter years, J.E. (Jack) Fryer and F.W. (Jack) Barnett. I too have a copy of this photo. It is marked Halton Camp, near Lancaster, July 1938.

I know this is not really a GWF matter, but looking out the photo I came across this photo of the 5th Battalion Sherwood Forester children's party, December 1955, at Beckett Street Drill Hall. That is me dressed as a policeman giving the magician a hard time having pinched his rat. My Father G S Aspdin, by then commanding the 5th Battalion, is on the right. Who can tell me if the silver Crich Stand, and indeed the other piece, are still in use anywhere. I remember the Crich Stand so well in the officers' mess at Beckett Street.

Nigel Aspdin

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Hi Nigel,

Thanks for your information- that really is excellent!

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IT absolutely terrific to see these photos and info about these old soldiers . My grandfather Michael Barry served in the Sherwood Foresters for many years and I am trying to find out about his life in the army . He was born in Ireland, left home and joined up as a teenager prior to WW1 and carried on in the army afterwards . I think , based at Normaton Barracks , Derby. He was reluctant to talk about his experiences and now my mum , his daughter , cannot recall much of the detail. She is rather sad that we have no photos or details of his army life I vividly remember photos of him proudly posing as part of a Regiment team . I think they were for hockey but I am not sure..

I now live in Ireland , although I was born in Derby , and am extremely keen to find out about his experiences .

Regards Shelagh

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Thanks so much for replying , yes ,I have seen a copy of a medal award with this number and think it maybe my grandfather but am not sure.

I think he may have enrolled whilst the regiment was in Ireland in the early 1900s , and then he served in ww1 and on after that for a long time. But how can i find out more ?? He spent some time in Plymouth as he met his wfe , my grandmother there and spoke about all sorts of far flung places he had visited. Burma ? Before settling in Derby . He lived until he was 98 .

all suugestions appreciated . shelagh . county waterford.

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Steve M

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Here are names of Officers from photo 3. but I can't quite make out any from photo 2 but should be possibly recognised from the other pictures. BRONNO.

Officers 5th Battalion Halton 1938.

Back Row,

2/Lt J.E.Fryer, D.D.Wallace, Lt A.S.T.Price, 2/Lt K.T.Williams, Lt L.W.Norfolk, 2/Lt F.J.G.Galligan, Lt S.F.Mill, Lt (QM) J.F.Hallam, Lt E.H.Stafford, 2/Lt P Rook.

Seated.

Capt J.W.S.Fletcher, Capt J.N.Clark-Maxwell, Maj N.A.McD Walker (Adj), Maj P.J.Stokes RAMC, Brig D.M.A.Sole D.S.O. (O.C. 148th Brigade), Lt/Col W.T.Greenfield, TD, Maj Gen Sir F.B.Maurice, K.C.M.G. C.B., LL.D, D.LIT, Lt/Col H.A.F. Crewdson. T.D. (O.C. 8th Battalion), Maj J.H.ROE, TD, Maj B.D.Shaw, MM, Capt P.M.Robinson, Capt F.W.Barnett, Rev A Inglis, C.F.

In Front.

2/Lt E.J.Morgan, N.S.Thorpe, G.S.Aspdin.

I looked at this photo again this evening as I recalled that there were others in the photo that my father counted amongst his friends when I was a child in the 50s and 60s, and who made an impression upon me. One of these was B.D Shaw. The reason I remember him so well was that some time in the 1960s my father took me to a lecture/demonstration he gave at Nottingham Universitry, the most ententaining, but serious, lecture on explosives that is possible to imagine being demonstrated in a lecture theatre, surely impossible to replicate in this day and age of health and saftey. To this day I do not think I really understood just how famous he was for these lectures. I Googled him today and now see that Col. Shaw attained the age of 100 in 1998, and some of his fame is reflected at Nottingham University site http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/b.d.shaw.centenary/openpage.html. It is well worth reading.

Nigel Aspdin

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