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On the war memorial in Gunnerside the name James Carter Spensley appears.

http://www.gunnerside.info/GunnChapGraves/...r_memorial.html

I've searched the CWGC & there is no record that relates to this name, the only thing that I can come up with is:- http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/casualty_...asualty=2749603

Reeth is a nearby village to Gunnerside in Swaledale & FO Spensley does not appear on the memorial in Reeth.

Can anyone confirm what I have come up with is wrong / right?

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Rob HAmilton

Hello Perce

Have you tried looking on the 1901 census to see if James Carter Spensley is recorded. It can be found online on the National Archives site.

He may have died after being discharged from the armed forces and did not qualify for recognition by the CWGC because his death was not as a result of his war sevice or for some reason they were never notified of his death. I've found the St Catherines register of deaths to be useful if someone has died after discharge from the armed services. It can be found in your local library

Have you tried searching on the CWGC site with variations of the spelling of his name. Have you tried searching on the Soldiers Died CD ROM. Perhaps some kind, rich soul who sees this thread might look him up for you.

Is the name on the memorial correct, for instance have they muddled up his christian and surnames. Is the name completely wrong, believe me it did happen.

Did he in fact die, there are instances of a person turning up safe and well after the memorial was built and the authorities not bothering to remove his name.

As you can see there are many reasons why a name on a memorial cannot be found. It's simply a question of looking at every available record to try and find him. Above all, keep trying, you never know when you might be lucky.

regards

Rob Hamilton

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Perce - I agree with Rob that your best way forward is to assume that the name is correct, and explore all the possibilities.

I've just checked "Soldiers Died......" and "Officers Died....." with every combination I can think of, including changing the words around and looking for names like "James Spensley Carter" but no luck. There are about 30 soldiers died with "Carter" as a forename, but none of these comes close. I also checked alternative spellings like Spenseley, Spenceley, etc.

This only means that he isn't listed - nothing more. There are lots of omissions on SDGW and of course, it only covers the British Army.

Tom

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From the 1901 Census:

Name: James Spensley

Age: 5

Estimated birth year: abt 1896

Relation: Son

Household: View other family members

Gender: Male

Where born: Swaledale, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Horton in Ribblesdale

Ecclesiatical parish: Horton in Ribblesdale St Oswald

County/Island: Yorkshire

Country: England

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Hi PERCE

Reeth is a nearby village to Gunnerside in Swaledale & FO Spensley does not appear on the memorial in Reeth

Come to Whaw, over in Arkengarthdale (see website below). We could talk dirty.

Had a similar problem researching a chap born in Arkengarthdale, photo in St Mary's Church, who was a member of my old tribe. CWGC, burnt series, SGDW, Corps Roll of Honour, all consulted. No sight.

Was he an imposter? A later, more detailed examination of SGDW showed him, to have been born in Arkengarthdale, Durham (an error as you'll well know). Deduced, then, that he'd not declared his first name and had adopted the shortened version of his second. CWGC search: man now located, grave, in St Omer, visited, a tale to be told.

Fascinating.

Chris

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Oh, and welcome to the GWF, PERCE

Chris

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I've tried every spelling I could think of to no avail.

I've now gone back & looked at various Census details from the nearby villages to Gunnerside. There is a good site which contains all the local Census records & after an initial look on there it has revealed a James Spensley aged 9 living at Kearton with his Grandmother. A look back 10 years & I find her husband was called James, there's also a Carter Spensley living in the same village. So a quick look into Census 1851 suggests James & Carter were brothers, so hopefully I'm on the right family. I now probably need to ask the right local.

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Followed your earlier lead to the Gunnerside web site. Have joined their Forum. Looks good.

Chris

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bernardmcilwaine
Followed your earlier lead to the Gunnerside web site.  Have joined their Forum.  Looks good.

Chris

hello perce,do you think someone has put the wrong mans name on the memorial,its not uncommon,do you mind if i stick my neck out on this one.

i think the man you are looking for may be edgar,james brother.

christopher spensley,father

sarah,mother

edith,sister

edith,?

edgar,brother

james,bros

harold,bros

oswald,brosarthur bros

their father was a farmer and cattle dealer from harmsby,he had previously farmed in west derby,lancs,i think edgar must have emigrated to NZ and died with the NZ field artillery,details on cwgc,his name,age and parents details seem to fit,bernard

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Followed your earlier lead to the Gunnerside web site. Have joined their Forum. Looks good.

I have nothing to do with the Gunnerside site but people who I have been put in touch with through the site have been able to help trace my family back over 200 years. I'm also now in touch with relatives I didn't know existed.

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  • 1 year later...

A reply posted on the gunnerside site:-

In 'Swaledale & Wharfedale Remembered' author Keith Taylor includes a page of information on the life and death of James Carter Spensley, MA, AIC, FCS, Research Chemist at the Government Munitions Factory, Gretna.

James' father, John Joseph Spensley was head teacher at Gunnerside school and married Mary Ann Woodward. James was born at Gunnerside and the family emigrated to South Africa in the late 1890s. James became a professor and lecturer in chemistry at the University of Pretoria but returned to England in May 1917.

After an accident involving the production of chemicals for warfare in 1918 James became very ill, recovered and then died, aged 32 years.

'Swaledale & Wharfedale Remembered' by Keith Taylor

ISBN 1 901214 66 4

Ashridge Press/Country Books, Bakewell, Derbyshire DE45 1NN

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  • 13 years later...

Hello Perce, I’ve just come across this chain of correspondence. I am curious to know why you are requiring after James Spensley? His sister Mary was my grandmother. I would love to know more about him. I live in South Africa. Kind regards, Susan 

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SusanC, Perce was last on the site at the end of September. Make one more post on the GWF and you will be able to use the personal message system to contact him.

 

Welcome to the GWF

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James Carter Spensley's grave is in the same churchyard that the memorial is in!

 

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On 24/01/2020 at 08:25, BereniceUK said:

James Carter Spensley's grave is in the same churchyard that the memorial is in!

 

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Things you don't notice! I must have been in there 100's of times, there's 3 generations of my ancestors buried there. Not sure churchyard is the right name to call it though, it's a Methodist Chapel that's currently the last one in use in Swaledale.

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Only just come across this! James Carter Spensleys mother, Mary Ann was my 3x great aunt- I live near Gunnerside! 
 

 

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2 hours ago, Laurab said:

Only just come across this! James Carter Spensleys mother, Mary Ann was my 3x great aunt- I live near Gunnerside! 
 

 

 

Lovely area.

 

The image seems to have disappeared, so here it is again.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, BereniceUK said:

 

Lovely area.

 

The image seems to have disappeared, so here it is again.

 

It’s an impressive stone - even more so in the flesh! I think I’m related to most of Gunnerside graveyard.... 

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I found this on a Gunnerside website which seems to no longer exist -

 

"James' father, John Joseph Spensley was head teacher at Gunnerside school and married Mary Ann Woodward. James was born at Gunnerside and the family emigrated to South Africa in the late 1890s. James became a professor and lecturer in chemistry at the University of Pretoria but returned to England in May 1917.

After an accident involving the production of chemicals for warfare in 1918 James became very ill, recovered and then died, aged 32 years."

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Yes- that’s right. James is buried at Gunnerside and I think his parents (my great great grandmas sister) are buried in South Africa. They emigrated sometime around 1890ish. He didn’t have any children. Possibly died as a result of working in a mustard gas factory - so I’ve been told! 

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24 minutes ago, Laurab said:

Yes- that’s right. James is buried at Gunnerside and I think his parents (my great great grandmas sister) are buried in South Africa. They emigrated sometime around 1890ish. He didn’t have any children. Possibly died as a result of working in a mustard gas factory - so I’ve been told! 

 

This museum is on the site of the factory he worked at. About - Devils Porridge Museum

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