essdee Posted 1 April , 2007 Share Posted 1 April , 2007 A sketch of V beach, Nov'15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 2 April , 2007 Share Posted 2 April , 2007 Thanks Bill, I've sent you a PM regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krithia Posted 8 April , 2008 Share Posted 8 April , 2008 Hi Michael, Eric, Bill, Jon etc, Almost a year to the date of the last post I have finally found a photo of Doughty-Wylie Fort, well not quite a photo but a period drawing done c June 1915. I couldn't believe my eyes when I came across this .. its was paired with a similar drawing of fort No.1 and was once in the General Staff papers relating to surveys. regards, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 11 April , 2008 Share Posted 11 April , 2008 Many thanks for sharing this Steve As far as I can see this does not contradict Capt Nightingale "... wire entanglements, through which was the way out leading past the deserted Turkish trenches to the summit of the hill. On top was a flat space surrounded by a moat 20 feet deep with only one entrance leading up over it, through which the assaulting troops were lead by Colonel Doughty-Wylie and Major Grimshaw." And roughly agrees with what passed for maps in 1915 No mention of any building, which was where we came in, so to speak How's the book coming on by the way? best regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krithia Posted 11 April , 2008 Share Posted 11 April , 2008 Hi Michael, Eric has found a photo of the Fort, so one of us will post as soon as. "Anzac The Landing" will be out late next month, ISBN: 9781844157228. cheers, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krithia Posted 12 April , 2008 Share Posted 12 April , 2008 ... some photos from Eric as found in Pedersen's Images book. The fort being top right. regards, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 12 April , 2008 Share Posted 12 April , 2008 Eric & Steve, Many thanks for that; what a great find! best regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plummed Goose Posted 7 December , 2008 Author Share Posted 7 December , 2008 as a good forumite i should be "wrapping" up this post ... which i'll do ... Letters refer to the attached map : A : ruined barracks : probably these were the barracks of the artillery connected to Ertugrul (still not sure about that) build in the second half of the 19th century. most large batteries on the dardanelles have a simular "elegant" building but what makes me doubt is its exposure to enemy fire. a picture -probably taken towards the end of the 19th century will come in the next post and shows the building still intact. Due to the heavy shelling by the navy it was ruined (pictures by michael (post 25), bill (post 47) and myself (post 32) and also was named "ruined barracks" by the allieds (map post 16 by Orion). B. hill 141 - Fort doughty-wylie is called by the Turks "the ruined castle" and its remains are still visuable durig the campaign. See pictures and sketch posted by Steve (post 53 and 56) and also see pictures in the next post. I presume this castle was pre-Ottoman and possibly even pre-byzantine. It is after all an ideal location overlooking (controlling) the entrance of the Strait. Today still some of the foundations can be seen (post 28 by myself). C. "The Old Fort" - Fort nr 3 - Seddülbahir fort. no further explanation except that the picture in post 9 is the Seddülbahir Fort, not the barracks is I thought wrongly. Thank you for your contributions !! eric and the pictures eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 7 November , 2010 Share Posted 7 November , 2010 Eric, This is an old, old, thread of yours (May 2005), but Eric, your Pals never, never give up Please take a look at this photograph It shows a trawler sailing south-west out of the Dardanelles It is just passing Sedd ul Bahr fort who's easily recognized arched wall is seen above the trawler's bows. To the right of the wall of the fort, is the low grey line of the breakwater of the little harbour, which was later to become famous as 'The Camber'. Now, please, raise your eyes to the horizon immediately above The Camber. Are these not the ramparts of what was to become known to some as Fort Doughty-Wylie? best regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Saunders Posted 8 November , 2010 Share Posted 8 November , 2010 Michael - this is really annoying as I cant see your photographs. Am I the only one with this problem? Jonathan S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 8 November , 2010 Share Posted 8 November , 2010 Jonathan, Many thanks for pointing this out Above, I am using, as I always do on the GWF, a photobucket link however, here is a link to the original French site (first brought to our attention by Mike [skipman]) http://www.1914-1918.fr/zen/1ere-guerre-mondiale-annee-1915-miroir/guerre-1914-1918-annee-1915-229-b.jpg.php regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Saunders Posted 9 November , 2010 Share Posted 9 November , 2010 Thanks Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krithia Posted 9 November , 2010 Share Posted 9 November , 2010 An excellent pic, looks like you can see the windmills as well, to the right of the fort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 9 November , 2010 Share Posted 9 November , 2010 looks like you can see the windmills as well, to the right of the fort? Well spotted Steve, Yes I see that now that you have mentioned it to the right of the funnel and of the rear mast - two buildings with pale walls which could be circular and their darker roofs, possibly conical, really quite typical of windmills in the area Thanks Steve Michael PS: Appropriately enough (after all this is his thread) it was Eric who pin-pointed the windmills for Oak in post #5 of this thread here Glad that we have them photographed now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 8 February , 2019 Share Posted 8 February , 2019 Never let a good old thread die! I've just come across another picture of the barracks behind Fort No.3 at Sedd el-Bahr This one probably dates from 1919 and the Mitchell Report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 8 February , 2019 Share Posted 8 February , 2019 I think I have a photo of "Sidd ul Bahr" in my grandfather's album. Must check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b3rn Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 I was looking up this 'old castle' (the French name) and remembered this thread. Here's a closer scan of the structure, which is more expansive than I thought. By the way, in Sedd el Bahr village, there are a couple of old-looking structures (curved roofs, one looks a hammam, near NW corner of the fort). Do they date from 1915? Or built after the war, and now in picturesque ruin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eceabat Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 (edited) Hi Bryn, the ruined buildings you asked about were there in 1915, and were in a semi-ruined state at the time, probably as a result of naval shelling. One was indeed a bath house, used by the fort's garrison in pre-war times. Cheers The other picturesque ruin Edited 1 June , 2020 by Eceabat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 9 hours ago, b3rn said: I was looking up this 'old castle' (the French name) and remembered this thread. Here's a closer scan of the structure, which is more expansive than I thought. Hi Bern & Bill, There seems to be a very close relationship between your picture in No.67 Bern, and that seen earlier in Steve's No.56 which, if he has the caption is correct, is the view looking up from V Beach. As you say the Old Castle does indeed look extensive. It is some years since I last was at Erol's place, but this makes me think that what we can see there today of the moat and (earth) ramparts, is in fact a very small corner of the ruin which was fought over in 1915 - does anyone agree? Your reawakening of this thread has caused me to look again at my post of February last year (No.65) and I been pondering whether or not in fact The Mitchell Report got this one right. As far as I am aware, Fort No.3 refers to the guns in the lower battery beneath the castle and (almost) next to the Camber. However, the architecture of the ruin in the righthand half of the picture is to my mind, much more reminiscent of the barracks which were behind Fort No1, Ertuğrul. Is that not what is to be seen here? Best regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepoy Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 (edited) Here is a close up, showing Doughty-Wylie Fort, taken from a panoramic photograph of Sedd - El - Bahr village ruins. Sepoy NB Is this Fort still visible on the ground ? Edited 1 June , 2020 by Sepoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 'Scuse me for butting in, but these are some photos of "Sedd ul Bahir" from my grandfather's album. I am fairly sure the date is 1922. The first of these (following) is of Kilid Bahar, but the others are unmarked. I think they must be in the same area, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepoy Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 Great photos Sea Jane. The photo below the Kilid Bahar Castle one, shows the block ships off V Beach together with the French Bouvet Memorial. It was probably taken from the Sedd El Bahr Castle ramparts. Sepoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 Thank you! sJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepoy Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 Is this the same French Cemetery as shown in Sea Jane's first photograph??? Sepoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 22 minutes ago, Sepoy said: Is this the same French Cemetery as shown in Sea Jane's first photograph??? Sepoy To me the gateway arch looks the same. sJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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