Identity disc pte J.HINDSON

[Guest orvain]

Hi

Recently bought this shield with badges and a identity disc.

I'd like to know if this man do the battle of LOOS in 1915!!!!

Many Thanks

LOÏC

[Stebie9173]

Well the 14th Durham Light Infantry / 64th Brigade / 21st Division were certainly at Loos. They were one of two Divisions held in Reserve (with the 24th), but were held too far back and were not able to exploit any initial gains made in the initial battle. In fact, the German positions had been reinforced by the time they arrived and the Divisions advance was met with unexpected machine gun fire and unbroken wire.

As for Joseph Hindson, his MIC should state when he arrived in France, and hence whether he would have been present:

http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchive...&resultcount=12

Even though the Division was engaged, the 14 DLI may not have been used in the battle. I hope someone else can shed some more light.

64th Brigade was certainly involved. Here is the Mother Sites page on the actions of the 2nd Day at Loos, when 21st Division became involved:

http://www.1914-1918.net/BATTLES/bat13_loo...t13_actual3.htm

I hope this helps,

Steve.

[Chris_Baker]

There is a major section on The Long, Long Trail about the battle of Loos - certainly the most extensive on the web.

http://www.1914-1918.net/BATTLES/bat13_loos/bat.htm

[Stebie9173]

Ah, I was busy editing in the link to Loos when Chris posted...

Thanks Chris.

Incidentally the 14/DLI Commanding Officer was mortally wounded at Bois Hugo on 26-9-15, so that does suggest the 14/DLI were heavily involved in the Battle. I'll leave it up to someone with better information, now...

Steve.

[TREVOR]

yes indeed 14DLI were heavily involved in Battle of Loos ,the name tag and 14DI badge were from my great uncle who fought in this battle on 24th Sept 1914 he was killed by error.

this was first battle in ww1 where the British army used poison gas,large gas cannisters similar to calor gas bottles were opened up and pointed towards German lines,unfortunately for My great uncle the wind changed direction and forced the gas back to our lines.The Brittish issued gas masks failed to work properly resulting i believe in seven fatalities including my great uncle, with numerous other casualties disabled through eye damage lung damage etc.Also some other information they were never issued with hard hats helmets either just cloth titfers!

He was from Sunderland prior to WW1 Believe they were based at Seaham cannot be too sure.

My parents were from Sunderland but moved to Coventry for WW2 Effort that was called forced deployment of labour.thats another story there too.

My name is Trevor Hindson, would be nice if you could sell personal dog tags back to me.

[TREVOR]

and incidentally his first name was Joseph but known all the way down through the family as great uncle Joe

[Michelle Young]

Welcome to the forum Trevor. The originator of the thread, orvain, is no longer a member of the forum, as denoted by guest. We will not have any contact information for them.

Michelle 

[TREVOR]

Hello Michelle,

crikey that was quick reply only posted that info last night, only other thing is I do not know is final resting place of my great uncle,

whether he has a burial in a cemetery near Loos with headstone,or if there is a wall plaque bearing his name in a cemetery, as was big mistake dog tags issued to WW1 Soldiers were singular once removed from casualties ID For burial lost,hence WW2 double ID Tags were issued.

perhaps you could help with that.

thank you

Trevor

 

[GWF1967]

2 hours ago, TREVOR said:

 

crikey that was quick reply only posted that info last night, only other thing is I do not know is final resting place of my great uncle.

 

Hi Trevor, 

Joseph Hindson  No. 14290, 14th D.L.I  went to France 11/9/15, and was later transferred to the Army Ordnance Corps No.040019.   He was discharged 14/12/18.

 

2 hours ago, TREVOR said:

 dog tags issued to WW1 Soldiers were singular once removed from casualties ID For burial lost,hence WW2 double ID Tags were issued.

 

 

The first identity disc issued was a single aluminium disc (Army Order 9 - Jan 1907).   21st August 1914 saw the introduction of a single red disc made from vulcanised asbestos fibre, as you say identification became difficult if this disc were removed from a casualty. Army Order 287, September 1916 saw the introduction of a second disc that was to remain on a body after death. These discs were green and octagonal in shape (Disc, Identity, No.1, Green).  

 

Info. courtesy of “Identifying The Dead”. by forum member Croonaert. 

 

 

Edited 19 August , 2020 by GWF1967

[Michelle Young]

Looking at the CWGC site, I can’t see him as a casualty. Incidentally, the battle of Loos commenced 25th September 1915.

Michelle 

[michaelpi]

But there appear to be only two LOÏC ORVAIN'S in France.

One in Normandy

One at Wingles, Pas De Calais, perhaps not far from Loos, hence his interest

He plays table tennis and can be reached by email

https://cllttwingles.clubeo.com/seasons/2019-2020/competitors/orvain-loic

[TREVOR]

not too worry unfortunately i am 66 yo cannot ask any older relatives as to what actually happened to him,too much time has lapsed and they are no longer alive.just have to leave the topic as closed strange it conflicts heavily against the family story passed down to me.Sunderland in those times was again either you went to join the Army or work down the pits Monkwearmouth colliery, with some ship building also for war effort.Yes Sep 1915 was the year and sorry think they MAY have possibly been billetted at Seaburn barracks prior to move to the war front.least people should still hear the horrors of that war poisoned gas cannisters.and gas glass flasks fitted to artillery shells torrid times.Just to say thanks for swift reply and help.

[corisande]

On 19/08/2020 at 16:04, Michelle Young said:

Looking at the CWGC site, I can’t see him as a casualty. Incidentally, the battle of Loos commenced 25th September 1915.

Michelle 

You cannot see him on CWGC because he was not killed. Medal Roll givesdischarged 14 Dec 1918

 

[corisande]

The SWB Roll gives he enlisted 6 Sep 1914

 

And he was awarded Silver War Badge on Discharge on 14 Dec 1918

 

There should be a pension card, which I cannot find, presumably because it is not yet on Fold 3. The Pension Card should tell why he was invalided out

 

It also says he was with RAOC when discharged. And that is on his Medal Index Card on Ancestry  too

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 20 August , 2020 by corisande