grantowi Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October Has anyone got anything on this gentleman please ? I have his name as Frank Bernard Joyce but can't seem to find a birth certificate for him He was Kia 21/04/1918 in France, buried in Aveluy wood cemetery, Mesnil - Martinsart, H I 42 I believe that at some point he lived in Swindon, but again can find no information to back this up Many thanks Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October 4 minutes ago, grantowi said: I believe that at some point he lived in Swindon, From his MIC his mother claimed his medals - her address was C/o A E Russell Esq, 13 Abingdon Court, W8 [London] I wonder if RUSSELL was her maiden name ??? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 1 October Admin Share Posted 1 October Whilst a Lieutenant he was part of the Board of Enquiry into injuries caused accidentally by grenade British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Image | findmypast.co.uk A POW enquiry was made by his mother but with negative result British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Image | findmypast.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October (edited) 11 minutes ago, grantowi said: can't seem to find a birth certificate for him Thanks to FreeBMD this could be him - under Francis rather than Frank Births Sep 1896 (>99%) Joyce Francis Bernard Norwich 4b 138 M Edit: From GRO - this chap's mother's maiden name was SMITH JOYCE, FRANCIS BERNARD SMITH GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 138 Edited 1 October by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 1 October Admin Share Posted 1 October An admission at 51st Field Ambulance for gastroenteritis 20 August 1917 British Armed Forces, First World War Soldiers' Medical Records Image | findmypast.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 1 October Author Share Posted 1 October Many thanks gentlemen, I will have to visit the library to get onto FMP to see if there is anything that can link him to Swindon. I did check for Francis on FreeBMD, but he didn't show. Thankyou both for pointing me in the right direction Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October (edited) Whilst we are here ... Some LG https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29082/supplement/1959 - His Commission https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30355/supplement/11109 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30583/supplement/3426 - His MC - The annotated register of MC citations may give the date and place T./Lt. Frank Bernard Joyce, Notts. & Derbv. R. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty when in command of one section of raiders during a raid. He blew up dug-outs full of the enemy, and kept them from escaping to the rear. M Edit: Some more LG https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29687/page/7489 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30220/supplement/8079 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30493/supplement/1204 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30520/supplement/1923 Edited 1 October by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 1 October Admin Share Posted 1 October 21 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Thanks to FreeBMD this could be him - under Francis rather than Frank Births Sep 1896 (>99%) Joyce Francis Bernard Norwich 4b 138 M Edit: From GRO - this chap's mother's maiden name was SMITH JOYCE, FRANCIS BERNARD SMITH GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in NORWICH Volume 04B Page 138 I don't think it is him as he appears in the 1921 census (courtesy FMP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 1 October Author Share Posted 1 October Brave man, should be recognised somewhere, even CWGC only have his initials, it seems so wrong. I hope that I am able to add him to my list Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 1 October Author Share Posted 1 October Hmmm there is something wrong here as Captain F B Joyce was KIA in 1918, so can't be on the 1921 census so we must have two men with the same names Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October 23 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: From his MIC his mother claimed his medals - her address was C/o A E Russell Esq, 13 Abingdon Court, W8 [London] 21 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: A POW enquiry was made by his mother but with negative result Same address but also one in Upper Halliford, Middlesex Image thanks to ICRC 2 minutes ago, grantowi said: Brave man, should be recognised somewhere, even CWGC only have his initials, it seems so wrong. A single and largely uninformative pension index card with initals for a claim by mother at WFA/Fold3 M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 1 October Admin Share Posted 1 October He is on a Wiltshire war memorial (courtesy FMP) but no guarantee it is him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October 1 minute ago, grantowi said: Hmmm there is something wrong here as Captain F B Joyce was KIA in 1918, so can't be on the 1921 census so we must have two men with the same names We never said it would be easy M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 1 October Admin Share Posted 1 October I cannot find Frank (or Francis) B Joyce on the census near Swindon 1891, 1901 or 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 1 October Author Share Posted 1 October It never is Matlock :-( David has found the Swindon one, I just have to link him to the Sherwood's Captain. Does it give a location for that memorial David ? I couldn't find him here either David, I will follow up on that memorial as it mentions Swindon. We did have a lot of young men lodging in the town, working in the GWR works and I suspect that he is one of them I now have two surnames for his mother and a couple of London address's to look at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 1 October Admin Share Posted 1 October This one St Marks Church | War Imperial War Museums (iwm.org.uk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grantowi Posted 1 October Author Share Posted 1 October Thanks David, something else to do at the weekend :-) Grant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 1 October Admin Share Posted 1 October There were no claims made on his soldier's effects record, i.e. no relatives found? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October (edited) Very rum I can get his mother in 1921 census at the POW card address of 13 Abingdon Court, Kensington So Edith Mary Atkinson is his mother 1921 census was 19 Jun 1921, so she is claiming born around Apr 1860 in Swindon I cannot find a suitable birth of a Edith Mary in Swindon There is a 1901 census entry in Swindon that could be him. It is pretty tenuous Then he goes missing and his mother enquires of Red Cross But nothing in Soldiers Effects, which is odd and an odd probate citing the Kings Proctor - a British judiciary officer who may intervene in probate, nullity, or divorce actions when collusion, suppression of evidence, or other irregularities are alleged I suspect Frank was illegitimate, but cannot establish what he was born as One should be able to track him through his mother who was called Edith Mary Atkinson in 1921 , but her life is equally opaque There should be enough facts to solve this Edited 1 October by corisande Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October (edited) 3 hours ago, Matlock1418 said: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30583/supplement/3426 - His MC - The annotated register of MC citations may give the date and place Edited 1 October by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October (edited) 3 hours ago, Matlock1418 said: From his MIC his mother claimed his medals - her address was C/o A E Russell Esq, 13 Abingdon Court, W8 [London] FREE - Ancestry: Edited 1 October by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October Thank Ivor for filling in the two illustrated details for the OP and all M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October Seek and eventually you will find. He went to Cranleigh, and is in the School Magazine. Born Buttenbach (or similar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October (edited) I still cannot get his birth around 1896 in London bot this is probably him in 1901 census in Kent and in 1911 census in Swindon Edited 1 October by corisande Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 1 October Share Posted 1 October Then his father changes the name to Joyce in LG 1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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