any idea's what is this cloth badge was for ????????

[weshallremember]

any idea's

many thanks 

trevor

[4thGordons]

Qualification badge as a  "Bomber"? (grenades)

[FROGSMILE]

Bombers had a grenade with a red flame and trench mortar men a blue flame and then later on in the war, circa 1917, the two were made flat (without the raised ball) and either, all red, or all blue, respectively.

I think it’s probably the discrete cloth grenade arm badge worn on service dress (SD) by all NCOs of the Grenadier Guards, but I’ll double check.

Afternote:  yes it is indeed a Grenadier Guards SD regimental NCO arm badge.  The flames can also be seen in a paler shade of khaki.

NB.  A very similar arm badge was also worn by sergeants of the Corps of Royal Engineers when in cloth, but gilding metal was commonly the preference.

Edited 2 October by FROGSMILE

[weshallremember]

thanks FROGSMILE

bit of a better picture

the backing is more greenish  to the naked eye

but not my camera

so were these for nco's trained in bombing

or a standard issue for grenadier guards

thank Trevor

[4thGordons]

The latter (Grenadier Guards) - my guess was incorrect - I was unaware of the colour of the bomber/Trench Mortar badges.

[FROGSMILE]

1 hour ago, weshallremember said:

a standard issue for grenadier guards

For Grenadier Guards NCOs on service dress only (drab serge and khaki drill)**.  The bombers badge had a red top initially and then was all red after 1917.

** later on Battle Dress.

Edited 1 October by FROGSMILE

[Muerrisch]

I believe GG badge [not in drab of course] also worn on the white drill waistcoast prewar.

[FROGSMILE]

14 hours ago, Muerrisch said:

I believe GG badge [not in drab of course] also worn on the white drill waistcoast prewar.

Yes I agree**, so perhaps better described overall as undress.  It wasn’t worn on full dress.  It’s not worn on blue patrols either, though, which seems to have been a replacement, albeit not used for the same purposes.

** although It seems to be inconsistent in artwork, so photography is the key arbiter.  Confusion is caused because some photos show corporals wearing the grenade, whereas later on it seemed to be sergeants only.

images via my collection plus websearch.

Edited 2 October by FROGSMILE

[Muerrisch]

Fascinating area: the watercolour corporal or lance corporal is mounted duty, super iluustration.

I know the subject has been chewed over previously, but here at left  is a GG with two chevrons and a grenade [note I avoid attempting rank or appointment ..................!]

[GWF TEAM]

Once more we must remind all members to properly acknowledge sources of images posted

[Muerrisch]

1 minute ago, GWF TEAM said:

Once more we must remind all members to properly acknowledge sources of images posted

I have absolutely no idea where mine came from, no problem if deleted by mods

[FROGSMILE]

1 hour ago, Muerrisch said:

Fascinating area: the watercolour corporal or lance corporal is mounted duty, super iluustration.

I know the subject has been chewed over previously, but here at left  is a GG with two chevrons and a grenade [note I avoid attempting rank or appointment ..................!]

I imagine it must have changed at some point.  Perhaps when lance corporal became substantive and lance sergeant abolished in the wider army, with the Guards adjusting their rank structure to compensate, but retaining the lance sergeant position, but I don’t know for sure.

Edited 2 October by FROGSMILE

[weshallremember]

 

thank for your comments

with thanks to National Army Museum

good picture of badge being worn 

4th grenadier guards 1914

 

[Muerrisch]

Drat: no two-chevrons with or without badge.