WW1 1907 Bayonet - No markings

[navydoc16]

Bit of an odd one, I have seen a handful over the years - it’s a complete scrubbed 1907, ex-Indian.

but I have a curiosity if anyone knows the approximate age of the refurbishment or why they were so heavily re-finished

IS 147 

IS 123

781 on the pommel

kind regards 

g

[4thGordons]

I believe post Independence (1947) refinished arms which bore the earlier British markings (esp the crown and GRI) were often fully scrubbed of all earlier markings. This is true of some rifles in my collection where the right of the wrist is bare of markings (sometimes very faint traces as here) and the left side is stamped with FR (date) and sometimes No1 Mk3*

According to Robert Edwards' "India's Enfields"(2007)  the IS+Number is an inspectors mark with the number corresponding to an inspector.

Chris

[shippingsteel]

Correction - it has markings ... and it has not been completely scrubbed. The two Indian inspection marks have been added and the remains of an earlier British Crown/##/E inspection marking still visible near the crossguard.

Pretty much your typical well used (and over a long period of time) Indian service P1907. Both bayonet and scabbard look to have been originally British production from the marks visible.

Cheers,  SS 

[navydoc16]

45 minutes ago, 4thGordons said:

I believe post Independence (1947) refinished arms which bore the earlier British markings (esp the crown and GRI) were often fully scrubbed of all earlier markings. This is true of some rifles in my collection where the right of the wrist is bare of markings (sometimes very faint traces as here) and the left side is stamped with FR (date) and sometimes No1 Mk3*

According to Robert Edwards' "India's Enfields"(2007)  the IS+Number is an inspectors mark with the number corresponding to an inspector.

Chris

Thanks Chris, yes it’s just odd if it’s as late as ‘47 as I would have assumed it would have been converted and shortened during or post WW2. This one dodged all of that but was never re-marked which is curious. 
 

yes Michael Rose has “IS” as Indian stores inspectors or Ishapore inspectors
 

kind regards

g

[navydoc16]

19 minutes ago, shippingsteel said:

Correction - it has markings ... and it has not been completely scrubbed. The two Indian inspection marks have been added and the remains of an earlier British Crown/##/E inspection marking still visible near the crossguard.

Pretty much your typical well used (and over a long period of time) Indian service P1907. Both bayonet and scabbard look to have been originally British production from the marks visible.

Cheers,  SS 

Well yes I suppose it does have “markings” but not of the standard format. I have not seen everything but it is not “typical” of any Indian full length 1907s I have seen - perhaps you have many more example photos of these “typical” bayonets to show? 
 

New inspectors markings have been added, but it is basically akin to finding a British refurbished bayonet with inspectors markings but no maker or refurbishment dates or marks. The Indians according to most books still used the “reissued/repaired” date codes for quite some time during and post WW1 and this has none. And they have gone to quite some efforts to remove all the original marks but have added nothing - it was certainly curious enough to me, and I have only seen a very small amount of them. 
 

kind regards

g