Dvr. James William Hindle MM, 75802 110th Bty, 24 Brigade RFA

[Ivor Anderson]

Dvr. James William Hindle MM, 75802 110^th Bty, 24 Brigade RFA

 

Born: Haslingden district, Lancashire Q2, 1893 (8e 120). 'Rawtenstall' on 1911 census.

Parents: Alexander (Alicks) & Lily (nee Harvey). Married Q4 1889, St Mary’s, Rawtenstall.

1901: 173 Bury Road, Rawtenstall, Lancashire, aged 7

1911: 50 The Fold, Rawtenstall, Lancashire, labourer aged 17.

 

WW1 enlisted, entered France 11 Sept 1914 with 24^th Bde RFA (MIC & 1914 star roll).

MM in LG 19 March 1918 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30585/supplement/3464 – award for Cambrai in Nov 1917 ('110 By' on MM)

Thanks to Jonny on the BMF for sourcing this:

Cotton Factory Times - Friday 01 February 1918 "War Medals......
Sergeant Joe Singleton (21), formerly a weaver at the Alexandra Mill, Blackburn, has been awarded the Military Medal on November 20th last year.
Driver Arthur E. Pilling, of the Royal Field Artillery, who prior to enlisting in November, 1916, was an employee of Messrs. Richard Ashworth and Co's. Longholme Mill, Rawtenstall, has been awarded the Military Medal.
Sergeant George Hewitt, of the King's Royal Rifle Corps, son of Mr. and Mrs. Geo. Hewitt, 2, Clewes Fold, Rawtenstall, and who prior to joining the colours was engaged as a spinner at the mill of the Ewood Bridge Spinning Company, has been awarded the Military Medal.
Driver J. W. Hindle, of the R.F.A., son of Mrs. Hindle, the Fold, Rawtenstall, has been awarded the Military Medal for carrying ammunition under heavy shell fire."
(1. Chris (bayonet) confirms 204019 Sergt. J. Singleton, M.M., Lancashire Fusiliers.  2. 188888 Driver Arthur Ewart Pilling, 463 Bty 179 Brigade, Royal Field Artillery.
3. R/12279 Sergeant George Hewitt, M.M., King's Royal Rifle Corps.  4. 75802 Driver James W. Hindle, M.M., 24 Brigade, Royal Field Artillery.)

On weekly Casualty List 21 May 1918: https://deriv.nls.uk/dcn30/1941/5561/194155611.30.jpg

No surviving service record? He survived the war. Trying to pinpoint further details about his service & unit. Ancestry image:

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[Ivor Anderson]

He was living at 50 Market St., Rawtenstall, Lancashire, with his parents and 2 sisters in June 1921. Occ. 'carter, out of work' (FMP image):

His parents were living at 4 Maden Court, Rawtenstall, Lancashire in 1939 - both born 1869. Ancestry image:

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[charlie962]

1011079 was his new Army number and he was finally discharged 1926. 

See RA attestations on FindmyPast

Perhaps an MoD held file?

[Ivor Anderson]

2 hours ago, charlie962 said:

1011079 was his new Army number and he was finally discharged 1926. 

Thanks! Great find Charlie. FMP: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FROYALART%2F1011001-1012000%2F00017&parentid=GBM%2FROYALART%2F22982

Originally attested 27 Jan 1914. Wounded by Gas shell 8 April 1918. So he was reengaged/on reserve, but only mobilised for 2 months April-June 1921?

24th Bde RFA summary: https://wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/fartillery.php?pid=9814  Part of post WW1 Army of occupation.

Still cannot find him on the 1939 Register, or any death entry?

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[David26]

Driver James William Hindle (75802) appears on Casualty List H.A.22343. It confirms his unit as 110 Battery, 24 Brigade RFA and that his injury was caused by Gas shell yellow. He was discharged to No.5 Rest Camp, St. Martins from No.10 Convalescent Camp on 19 April 1918. 

David.

[Ivor Anderson]

Many thanks David.    So, he was wounded on the 8th April, discharged to rest camp on the 19th, and was on the weekly casualty list of 21 May 1918 (the usual c.6 weeks later).

The 24th Bde RFA war diary includes a detailed account of each battery on 21st March 1918 - the first day of the German Spring Offensive - 110th:

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[WhiteStarLine]

2 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said:

detailed account of each battery on 21st March 1918

Very brave men and we are lucky such a detailed, typed account exists from those tumultuous days.

[Ivor Anderson]

The 24th Brigade RFA was part of 6th Division. In Nov 1917 they were part of III Corps during the Battles of Cambrai. 6th Div left III Corps on 14th Dec 1917.

It was for the actions during Cambrai that Hindle was awarded his MM. It was likely a Corps level award.

The Cambrai operations included the tank attack (20-21 November), the capture of Bourlon Wood (23-28 November), and the German counter-attacks (30 November-3 December). 24th Bde WD for 20-22 Nov 1917 (TNA):

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[Ivor Anderson]

On 08/11/2023 at 11:08, Ivor Anderson said:

Thanks to Jonny on the BMF for sourcing this:

Cotton Factory Times - Friday 01 February 1918 "War Medals......

From FMP - James Hindle was a 'cotton bleach labourer' in 1911:

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[Ivor Anderson]

The MM of James William Hindle:

 

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[travers61]

On 08/11/2023 at 18:54, Ivor Anderson said:

So he was reengaged/on reserve, but only mobilised for 2 months April-June 1921?

 

Looks like he went to Section B Army Reserve in 1920 and was then mobilised in 1921 due to the threatened industrial crisis in the coal industry & associated rail industries.

http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/other-aspects-of-order-of-battle/defence-force-1921/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1921)

 

Travers

[Ivor Anderson]

Thanks Travers. Interesting historical context, inc. "Black Friday caused the 1921 United Kingdom census, which had been planned for 24 April, to be pushed back to June".

I cannot find Hindle after the 1921 census, despite him being in the reserves until Jan 1926.  I cannot see a 1939 census entry, marriage, or obvious death entry!

[travers61]

Have had a quick look also and nothing obvious after 1926, but then there are lots of Hindles in Lanashire.

As ever if he's not in the 1939 Register usually means he's under a diff name, emigrated, died or already in the forces.  Although the TA was expanding in 1938/39 expect he would have been too old at 46 yrs to have joined & been mobilised then.

Have looked at the visable online trees on ancestry & nothing after 1911 showing, but I notice he is on three private trees so can't see how far they have got, but often are closer realtions.

 

Travers

[Ivor Anderson]

12 hours ago, travers61 said:

I notice he is on three private trees so can't see how far they have got, but often are closer realtions.

 Thanks Travers. I've messaged the two most likely private ones, but (going by the number of sources they've linked), I'm not very hopeful they know more about him.

 His MM came from close to Rawtenstall, so he may not have traveled far. I'll check the many death entries for James Hindle, pre 1939.

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[Ivor Anderson]

On 08/11/2023 at 11:08, Ivor Anderson said:

Parents: Alexander (Alicks) & Lily (nee Harvey). Married Q4 1889, St Mary’s, Rawtenstall.

1901: 173 Bury Road, Rawtenstall, Lancashire, aged 7

1911: 50 The Fold, Rawtenstall, Lancashire, labourer aged 17.

 Looking at the census data and his parents & siblings (6/10 had died by 1911, not counting Ivy d.1912):

Father: Alexander  11 Feb 1869 (Cloughfold) to Q1 1949 (Haslingden). Living 4 Maden Court, Rawtenstall in 1939. (1905 E Roll - 50 The Fold).

Mother Lil(le)y Harvey 21 May 1869 to Q4 1954 (Bury). Cremated 3 Dec 1954. Living 4 Maden Court, Rawtenstall in 1939.

1) Sarah Jane b.Cloughfold, Haslingden Q1 1890

2) James William b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, Q2 1893. Living with parents at 50 Market St., Rawtenstall in June 1921.

3) Mary b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1896.

4) Thomas b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1898. Died 1902.

5) Esther b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1900. Died 1904.

6) Alice b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1902. Living with parents at 50 Market St., Rawtenstall in June 1921.

                3 other children died 1894-95 or 1903-1906?

7) Emily b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 11 Feb. 1907. Living with parents at 50 Market St., Rawtenstall in June 1921.

    Married James H. Hutall Q3 1930. Living 40 Booth Crescent, Waterfoot, Rawtenstall in 1939. Died Bury District Q3 1973 aged 66.

8) Ivy b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1910. Died Q2 1912 aged 1.

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[TomWW1]

6 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said:

 Looking at the census data and his parents & siblings (6/10 had died by 1911, not counting Ivy d.1912):

Father: Alexander  11 Feb 1869 (Cloughfold) to Q1 1949 (Haslingden). Living 4 Maden Court, Rawtenstall in 1939.

Mother Lil(le)y Harvey 21 May 1869 to Q4 1954 (Bury). Cremated 3 Dec 1954. Living 4 Maden Court, Rawtenstall in 1939.

1) Sarah Jane b.Cloughfold, Haslingden Q1 1890

2) James William b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, Q2 1893

3) Mary b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1896.

4) Thomas b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1898. Died 1902.

5) Esther b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1900. Died 1904.

6) Alice b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1902.

    3 children died 1903-1906?

7) Emily b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 11 Feb. 1907. Married James H. Hutall Q3 1930. Living 40 Booth Crescent, Waterfoot, Rawtenstall in 1939. Died Bury District Q3 1973 aged 66.

8) Ivy b. Rawtenstall, Haslingden, 1910. Died Q2 1912 aged 1.

The poor one year old in 1912

[Ivor Anderson]

Death entries post 1926 - by process of elimination:

1) NOT James Hindle who died 15 Feb 1927, of 261 Rochdale Rd., Bury, as he was aged 74 at death (born c. 1853).

2) NOT James Hindle who died Q2 1929, Haslingden district, as he was aged 43 at death (born c. 1872).

2) NOT James Hindle who was buried 26 Dec 1929 (St Paul's, Hoddlesden, Haslingden district) as he was aged 72 at death (born c. 1857).

4) NOT James Hindle who died Q1 1941, Salford district, he was aged 47 at death (born 17 Oct/Nov 1893, Salford).

5) NOT James Hindle died at 6 Rifle Street, Haslingden on 16 Feb 1940 . Effects to a Fred Hindle. Born 1855.

6) NOT James Hindle of 3 The Crescent, Lumb in Rossendale died 8 April 1929 - effects to Annie Hindle widow. Aged 43 (b.1886)

7) NOT James Hindle of 6 Mason Street, Bury died 1 Dec 1931 - effects to Susan Ellen Hindle, widow. Aged 71 (b.1860)

8) NOT James Hindle of 32 Fleet St, Nelson, Burnley Dist. died 1 Jan 1926 - effects to Margaret Binns widow. Aged 74 (b.1851)

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[TullochArd]

Here's the entry from the Rossendale Free Press, the local paper for local people.  The microfiche is was pretty worn out but you get the drift......plenty about Hewitt MM but not much about Hindle MM I'm afraid.  I've not found a photo of him yet.  (edit:  I seem to have cropped this copy rather badly I'll track down the original) 

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[Ivor Anderson]

Thanks TullochArd, at least we have Hindle's citation in the 'Cotton Times'. Whoever has George Hewitt's MM will be glad to see that detail.