Stevend Posted 21 September Share Posted 21 September Can anyone tell me how I would go about getting Photos of German soldier's headstones killed. Thank you Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 21 September Share Posted 21 September I‘m not sure how you would kill a photo. You could contact the Volksbund, they offer a photo service https://www.volksbund.de/service/grabschmuck-und-fotowunsch or perhaps one of the forum pals lives near or is visiting the area near to the grave(s). Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted 22 September Share Posted 22 September the problem with German, and French graves is they are often not headstones like ours, if paid for by French or German authorities. If CWGC cemetery they are plain stones with name , rank and date on for German, Poles , Czech. similar to ours but topped differently . But if French in CWGC, or in French cemeteries, they are white stone crosses with a barely visible black plaque on. Although some fancy ones do exist. German graves in German cemeteries, tend to be black crosses with soldiers name on one of the arms of the cross., in big cemeteries such as Achiet le Petit may have 4 or 8 names on, usually on front or back of the one cross. if you google German cemeteries in France or supply a name we might be able to check, there are a couple of us here at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevend Posted 26 September Author Share Posted 26 September Hi Chaz Here is the names I have hope you can help Ludwig Schmoller 1 bayer ersatz rgt 6 komp killed 14.12.16 Markus Aubele 3IR 10KMP Killed 27.6.16 Regards steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 26 September Share Posted 26 September Neither have a known grave. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Kotthaus Posted 26 September Share Posted 26 September You can support your search, when you know on which battlefield he was K.i.A. Please have a look here: http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/index.htm Next step is to search on the individual Cemetery at CWGC. Regards Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevend Posted 26 September Author Share Posted 26 September Hello holger both were killed in France. Charlie thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevend Posted 26 September Author Share Posted 26 September One name is Matthaus huber died in a hospital 1. 10.14 from wounds at St Quentin Served Inf Rgt.2. 12 Komp Would he be buried in France or sent home my reason is were German soldiers who died early in the war returned home or buried local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted 26 September Share Posted 26 September I can see if I can run my volksbund cd but won't he until later, then have to power up old laptop with cd drive. Will pm message you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevend Posted 26 September Author Share Posted 26 September Thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Kotthaus Posted 26 September Share Posted 26 September 2 hours ago, Stevend said: Hello holger both were killed in France. Charlie thank you Hello Steven Thank you very much; - perfect; - Let's take the next step to follow your desire. France is a big country. - Do you know a battle site where he fought? Or maybe a special unit; Division; - Regiment? Regards Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 26 September Share Posted 26 September 1 hour ago, Stevend said: Matthaus huber died in a hospital 1. 10.14 from wounds at St Quentin Served Inf Rgt.2. 12 Komp There is one man with that name buried in a Kameradengrab in Vermandovillers. His date of death is listed as 25 September 1914 and place of death as Chaulnes so the question is -- are they close enough? (Death and burial dates aren't always the same, and Chaulnes is about 45km from St Quentin.) https://www.volksbund.de/erinnern-gedenken/graebersuche-online/detail/e3f1a5f442ca17286d533b7860e6207f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 26 September Share Posted 26 September (edited) 18 hours ago, Stevend said: Hello holger both were killed in France. No they were not. Markus Aubele died at Feldlazarett 5 of the 11th Bavarian Infantry Division at Welizke, Russia. See attached. Ludwig Schmöller is his correct name. He was last seen near Verdun. https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/467749/1/2/ Edited 27 September by charlie2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 26 September Share Posted 26 September Mattias Huber is recorded in the Stammrollen as missing as of 02.10.1914, the regiment was in the area of Lihons at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 27 September Share Posted 27 September 12 hours ago, knittinganddeath said: There is one man with that name buried in a Kameradengrab in Vermandovillers. His date of death is listed as 25 September 1914 and place of death as Chaulnes so the question is -- are they close enough? (Death and burial dates aren't always the same, and Chaulnes is about 45km from St Quentin.) https://www.volksbund.de/erinnern-gedenken/graebersuche-online/detail/e3f1a5f442ca17286d533b7860e6207f Hello, He is not buried in the Kameradengrab in Vermandovillers. He is commemorated there. I have already multiple times tried to explain the situation with these mass graves. I believe the Matthäus Huber in Vermandovillers may very well be the man missing near Lihons. The German mass graves (Kameradengräber) in France were created in the same way the French mass graves were created on their cemeteries, all known or partially identified men (even with partial names or obviously wrong names) were given a single grave (mixed mass graves with several known and unknown men were also buried in a new joint grave). However, all completely unidentified soldiers were gathered and buried in a mass grave. The identical ways of burial of French and Germans were due to the fact that French authorities were burying both at the same time (according to the Versailles Treaty, the Germans were not allowed to take care of their own graves abroad), often on newly created, adjoining plots. At some point, names were added to the mass graves. I believe this to have been done in the 1980s when suddenly the Volksbund started doing some research in the Bavarian archives. However, not all of the possible (Bavarian) names were added there, nor were names from Württemberg or Baden units added (although these military archives are still available as well). Other names that were added were names that were known to have been originally buried on cemeteries that were concentrated into the new cemeteries (by the French) but could not be found there any more and also names of soldiers without known graves whose relatives had contacted the Volksbund. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 27 September Share Posted 27 September There is also an index card for Mattias Huber in the Red Cross database. https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/File/Details/2835040/1/2/ Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 27 September Share Posted 27 September 2 hours ago, AOK4 said: He is not buried in the Kameradengrab in Vermandovillers. He is commemorated there. Thanks for the correction. It is confusing because the Volksbund site says "Matthäus Huber ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Vermandovillers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 27 September Share Posted 27 September 1 hour ago, knittinganddeath said: Thanks for the correction. It is confusing because the Volksbund site says "Matthäus Huber ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Vermandovillers." The Volksbund just says things, but in a lot of cases they have absolutely no clue about the history behind the war graves they care for. Things are complicated by the fact that other organizations were in charge of German war graves in France before they were appointed by the (West) German state long after WW2 (I believe in the 1960s, should look it up). Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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