Admin DavidOwen Posted 28 July Admin Share Posted 28 July We should have thought of that but in which case what became of Avis / Roma? Can of worms Gareth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 28 July Author Share Posted 28 July 29 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Wild punt coming up Could Lionel, with his criminal past, have adopted his dead brother Stanislaus' identity later in life and to have eventually died as such??? M If it wasn't for the fact that we know that Stanislaus has a bit of a past too I could go for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 28 July Share Posted 28 July 1 minute ago, Gareth Davies said: If it wasn't for the fact that we know that Stanislaus has a bit of a past too I could go for this. I'm sort of hanging onto the RSE Effects payout to Lionel and the WG to Roma. ??? Tricky family eh? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 28 July Author Share Posted 28 July What we think we know. See attached. Stanislaus Calhaen.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 28 July Share Posted 28 July (edited) I guess the obvious question is whether or not Stanislaus himself, or Lionel's daughter can be found in the 1921 England and Wales census, and if so, who are they living with? Furthermore, assuming that Avis/Roma was a habitual criminal does she make any further appearances in the newspapers after WW1? We probably need to do our best to trace all of them to see whether they remain linked. The death of an Etna Pietrasch was registered in the first quarter of 1958 in Kensington, London, and her age would imply a birth year of 1899. As Etna isn't exactly a common name, could this be Lionel's daughter? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCZ-7LMP Unfortunately I'm not having any joy finding a potential marriage of this name. Edited 28 July by Tawhiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 28 July Author Share Posted 28 July She seems to be invisible apart from that death record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 28 July Share Posted 28 July 3 hours ago, DavidOwen said: I have looked for civil births and parish baptisms for Stanislaus Calheam/n in both Ancestry and FMP and so far have only found Stanislaus Edmund Calhaem. (There is a Francis Stanislaus Calhaem but his birth and death are recorded in the same year). So it looks as though there was only one man with that name. It would be helpful if another member could independently verify this please. I have checked both Find My Past and Ancestry and I can find only one record for a Stanislaus Calheam/n in the civil birth registrations, Qtr 4 1873; Hampstead District; Volume 1a; Page 594; no mother's maiden name recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 28 July Admin Share Posted 28 July 2 minutes ago, Allan1892 said: I have checked both Find My Past and Ancestry and I can find only one record for a Stanislaus Calheam/n in the civil birth registrations, Qtr 4 1873; Hampstead District; Volume 1a; Page 594; no mother's maiden name recorded. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 28 July Share Posted 28 July (edited) Roma Somerset and sister or daughter Maud, depending on which headline you read, were in the headlines in April 1920 for fraud again. .. MILE END GUARDIAN VICTIMISED At Thames Police Court Roma Somerset (45) and Maud Somemset (25), the former attired in W.A.A.C. officer’s uniform were charged on remand with obtaining by false pretences €2 10s. from Miss Kathleen Slattery, head of St. Phillip’s ... Published: Saturday 03 April 1920 Newspaper: Eastern Post ... money by representing that they were relatives of Lady Mary Somerset were made at the Old Bailey, London, against two smartly-dressed women giving the names of Roma Somerset (36) and Maud Somerset (24). Mr G. F. L. Bridgeman, who prosecuted, said that the ... Published: Tuesday 20 April 1920 Newspaper: Dundee Evening Telegraph ... 29 YEARS OF FRAUD. Mariied at fourteen, startiug a lite of crime twelve Months later, a woman of innumerable aliases, Roma Somerset, who o ith her daughter has just been sentenced to imprisonment, was one of the cleverest ndventuresses who have ever fallen ... Published: Sunday 25 April 1920 Newspaper: Weekly Dispatch (London) Edited 28 July by Tawhiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 28 July Share Posted 28 July 41 minutes ago, Tawhiri said: The death of an Etna Pietrasch was registered in the first quarter of 1958 in Kensington, London, and her age would imply a birth year of 1899. No sign of a marriage for an 'Etna' to a 'Pietrasch' in the civil registers so I decided to 'look abroad' and found that a ERNA Pietrasch was listed in the WW2 Alien Internees database. Her address is recorded as 3 Shrewsbury Road, London, SW2 and her date of birth is shown as 15 October 1899. -- could this be Etna Pietrasch?? (image courtesy of Ancestry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 28 July Share Posted 28 July Seems that Erna Pietrasch also went by several names (image courtesy of Ancestry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 28 July Author Share Posted 28 July Does the Russian/German but rules her out from being the Etna we are looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 28 July Admin Share Posted 28 July 57 minutes ago, Allan1892 said: Seems that Erna Pietrasch also went by several names (image courtesy of Ancestry) No-one came forward, the estate went to the Treasury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 28 July Admin Share Posted 28 July What is strange is that apart from notice of death and the probate records no other record exists worldwide under the name Erna Asseyeff or Pietrasch according to FMP. Ancestry has a little more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 28 July Author Share Posted 28 July She’s a red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 29 July Admin Share Posted 29 July 12 hours ago, Gareth Davies said: She’s a red herring. I was thinking so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 29 July Admin Share Posted 29 July Found a photo featuring Avis Fitzroy aka Mercia Somerset and her "brother" Lionel Somerset (also referred to as Cecil Roslyn in another court case). The People 23 Feb 1913. (Courtesy FMP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 29 July Admin Share Posted 29 July Moving on to the 1921 census Maurice Rodgers appears to be a patient of an institution in Farnborough, an out of work theatrical employee listed as married. (Courtesy FMP) Still trying to find Stanislaus, Lionel and Avis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 29 July Admin Share Posted 29 July Thanks to an Ancestry Tree I have found Stanislaus in the 1911 census Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 29 July Admin Share Posted 29 July On 27/07/2023 at 19:11, DavidOwen said: And in 1953 Stanislaus E Calhaem is living with his brother John (credits Ancestry) Thinking about Lionel impersonating Stanislaus would brother John have gone along with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 29 July Admin Share Posted 29 July On 27/07/2023 at 19:41, DavidOwen said: He then re-appears in 1928 in a single article and again in another single article in 1941 Most odd. Ignore the above references to 1928 and 1941 - these referred to the father and his history. Consequently Stanislaus the son does not feature in any articles post 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 29 July Admin Share Posted 29 July On 27/07/2023 at 17:13, Matlock1418 said: Will at the Probate Service. Couldn't find any attempt at a pension claim under CALHAEN or CALHAM M Can you provide a link please? I cannot find him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July (edited) 20 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: On 27/07/2023 at 17:13, Matlock1418 said: Will at the Probate Service. Couldn't find any attempt at a pension claim under CALHAEN or CALHAM M Can you provide a link please? I cannot find him. Sorry cannot provide a direct link, PS won't allow it, but remember you need to add that he was a soldier who died while serving in the British armed forces between 1850 and 1986 Thence: 1 result returned Last name First name Date of death Regiment number CALHAEN S. 31 July 1917 75613 https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk M Edit: Doesn't help that that a handy forename, Stanislaus, doesn't in this case help a search !!! Edited 29 July by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 29 July Admin Share Posted 29 July 27 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Sorry cannot provide a direct link, PS won't allow it, but remember you need to add that he was a soldier who died while serving in the British armed forces between 1850 and 1986 Thence: 1 result returned Last name First name Date of death Regiment number CALHAEN S. 31 July 1917 75613 https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk M Edit: Doesn't help that that a handy forename, Stanislaus, doesn't in this case help a search !!! Thanks I thought I had tried all the surnames, obviously not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 29 July Share Posted 29 July (edited) 4 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: Thanks I thought I had tried all the surnames, obviously not! Got to admit it's a case of Search probate records or find a will - So without actually getting the record I can't categorically clarify what sort it is - In the past I have only found wills when using the facilty so I have erred in that direction. M Edited 29 July by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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