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Lidbetter, William Thomas - 1/6th Hants


Lexus

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Hi,

I am looking for any information about William Thomas Lidbetter, Service No 281474.  William was born on the 15th of June 1896 , Portsea Island, Hampshire.  So far I have found only his Medal Rolls Index Card and Service Medal and Award Roll.  He appears to have been awarded the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.  Anything on his enlistment date and where he served will be very much appreciated.

Thank you

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Hi Lexus. 

Looking at the Medal Roll William served only with the 1/6th Hants. A near number search produced one helpful result, 281475, who joined the 1/6 Hants on the 3rd December 1915.

I have attached the summary for 1/6 Hants found in the Long Long Trial.

There is unlikely a War Diary for their time in India but National Archives hold the diary from deployment to Mesopotamia  between the dates 1st September 1917 to 30th April 1918 at WO 95/5213/3 and 1st May 1918 to 28th February 1919 WO 95/5213/4 (make sure you use the space between WO and 95}  These are free to download once registered. 

Hope this is of some use. 

 

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I believe his original number would have been 3164, then renumbered 281474. This is from extrapolation (3162 became 281472 and 3166 became 281476)

Those numbered 281465 & 281466 enlisted 30.11.15 and the numbers follow a chronological order, so date of enlistment would be on or slightly before 3.12.15 as already given

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21 hours ago, Gunner 87 said:

Hi Lexus. 

Looking at the Medal Roll William served only with the 1/6th Hants. A near number search produced one helpful result, 281475, who joined the 1/6 Hants on the 3rd December 1915.

I have attached the summary for 1/6 Hants found in the Long Long Trial.

There is unlikely a War Diary for their time in India but National Archives hold the diary from deployment to Mesopotamia  between the dates 1st September 1917 to 30th April 1918 at WO 95/5213/3 and 1st May 1918 to 28th February 1919 WO 95/5213/4 (make sure you use the space between WO and 95}  These are free to download once registered. 

Hope this is of some use. 

 

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Hi Gunner, many thanks for that info, so William was lucky in that he missed the bloodbath in France.

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12 hours ago, butler said:

I believe his original number would have been 3164, then renumbered 281474. This is from extrapolation (3162 became 281472 and 3166 became 281476)

Those numbered 281465 & 281466 enlisted 30.11.15 and the numbers follow a chronological order, so date of enlistment would be on or slightly before 3.12.15 as already given

Hi butler, thanks for the enlistment details however you have lost me with your first comment, could you please provide some more detail as to what was behind the renumbering,

Thanks

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36 minutes ago, Lexus said:

Hi Gunner, many thanks for that info, so William was lucky in that he missed the bloodbath in France.

Hi Lexus. Yes, William served only with 1/6 and as such served in Mesopotamia where therer was also significant action. 

Interestingly from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine Malaria was a particular problem in Salonika, Mesopotamia, Palestine and East Africa. The casualties from tropical diseases outnumbered those inflicted by the enemy by 30 to 1, and in these places it was a war of germs rather than of guns.

Kind regards Gunner 87.

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2 hours ago, Lexus said:

Hi butler, thanks for the enlistment details however you have lost me with your first comment, could you please provide some more detail as to what was behind the renumbering,

When the Territorial Force Battalions were formed in 1908, each battalion numbered its men from No 1. This lead to confusion as several men  in each regiment would have the same number. In Feb/March 1917 men were renumbered with blocks of six-figured numbers allocated to each battalion. In the Hampshire Regt,  6 Battalion men were renumbered from a number block  starting 280001.  In the Hampshire Regt, with a few anomalies, were renumbered sequentially.

William Lidbetter would have  been enlisted as 3164 on or shortly before 3.12.15, and then in Feb/March 1917 renumbered 281474

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On 27/04/2023 at 17:44, butler said:

When the Territorial Force Battalions were formed in 1908, each battalion numbered its men from No 1. This lead to confusion as several men  in each regiment would have the same number. In Feb/March 1917 men were renumbered with blocks of six-figured numbers allocated to each battalion. In the Hampshire Regt,  6 Battalion men were renumbered from a number block  starting 280001.  In the Hampshire Regt, with a few anomalies, were renumbered sequentially.

William Lidbetter would have  been enlisted as 3164 on or shortly before 3.12.15, and then in Feb/March 1917 renumbered 281474

Got it - Many Thanks

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On 27/04/2023 at 15:44, Gunner 87 said:

Hi Lexus. Yes, William served only with 1/6 and as such served in Mesopotamia where therer was also significant action. 

Interestingly from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine Malaria was a particular problem in Salonika, Mesopotamia, Palestine and East Africa. The casualties from tropical diseases outnumbered those inflicted by the enemy by 30 to 1, and in these places it was a war of germs rather than of guns.

Kind regards Gunner 87.

Hi Gunner 87 - You are right, and I read somewhere that every disease related casualty requires something like five trained and semi trained personnel to look after  them on a daily basis.

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