looking for wounded information for 3/6713 thomas mckimmie

[weshallremember]

3/6713 THOMAS VALDER MCKIMMIE

thomas was apparently wounded 3 times had three wound stripes on his sleeve

trying to find what wounds he received and with what battalion

 

he was with the 2nd argyll and sutherland highlanders when entree to france on 11th sept 1914

he was wounded i think in may 1916 but not sure

was sent back to uk

i know was in uk in sept 16 until maybe dec 16

he was sometime after then in france  with the 8th argyll's

then about feb 18 transferred to 7th aryll's

thanks trevor

[Matlock1418]

Disability pension Index card at WFA/Fold3 has him discharged 10-12-18, a Gratuity £70-0-0 and an address of 43 Main St, Dundee.

Have you tried any local Dundee newspaper(s) for report(s) of his wounding(s)?

M

[chaz]

his SB card is under 6713 but does not contain the usual note of injury

[chaz]

there are trees on Ancestry, one of which has a picture of him, may be someone there knows. 

[dink999]

He appears on one of the casualty lists that I’m posting, HA 12355. Shown here again to help with the thread

Dave

[weshallremember]

matlock

i dont have access  to newspaper records 

trevor

[Matlock1418]

Just now, weshallremember said:

i dont have access  to newspaper records 

Sorry, neither do I but just an idea - that others may perhaps be able to now assist with. ??  British Newspaper Archive or Find My Past I believe.

M

[weshallremember]

dave

wow that's brilliant 

and puts him with 8th argyll at that time

trevor

[Allan1892]

Can't find anything in the newspapers but found this in the Police Gazette, 14 November 1916 (images courtesy of Find My Past)

[weshallremember]

thanks allan

that was when he was in the 3rd argyll's reserve battalion after his first wounding in 1916

 

trevor

[weshallremember]

just found this in the 8th argyll diary where he is listed as wounded may 1917 but no details and his number is listed as S6713

[weshallremember]

so from the dates these must be two separate wounds

1st one 15th may 17

and second one around end of july 17 as he was at the hospital 1st august 1917

now just need the 1916 wound detail that got him sent home

i was told by a relative it was a grenade but no proof

have found map ref I 13C near the chemical works where he was wounded on 15th may 17

[charlie962]

30 minutes ago, weshallremember said:

now just need the 1916 wound detail that got him sent home

Forename T

Surname Mckimmie

Casualty Status Wounded

Rank Private

Service Number 6713

Regiment Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders

Category Nco's and Men

Daily List Date 3rd June 1916

Source Daily Casualty Lists Reported In Newspapers,  

 

 

That Casualty Lists would be published about a month after actual wounding. So actual was end April beginning May 1916

Edited 14 March , 2023 by charlie962

[weshallremember]

brilliant charlie962

that should be when he was wounded by a grenade

just need it in black and white

wishful thinking

trevor

 

 

 

 

[charlie962]

Slight correction to probable date.

Another man on same list, also 2nd Bn, is Mathison 3/6478. His service record says he was wounded 11/5/16. **

Another man of a different Bn has a date 13/5. Quicker publication than I thought at this date. I suggest you think about 11/5/16 as being more probable for McKimmie (see edit below).

Charlie 

**Edit 

Ditto 2nd Bn, Palmer 1085 actual wounding 11/5/16. Both Palmer and Mathison had only slight wounds and remained at duty.

 

Edited 14 March , 2023 by charlie962

[charlie962]

War diary 10th and 11th May 1916 (courtesy Nat Archives via Ancestry) shows probable event.

[charlie962]

The Dundee Courier 25/5/16 repeats the grenade story.

Courtesy Findmypast newspapers

[charlie962]

Dundee Courier again, 8/8/17.

Courtesy Findmypast newspapers

[charlie962]

Peoples Journal 19/9/14

Courtesy Findmypast newspapers

[weshallremember]

wow

thanks charlie

so 1st wound was grenade with the 2nd Argyll's may 1916

2nd wound was gsw to left hand mild wound 8th Argyll's   may 1917

3rd wound was bullet wound to arm 8th Argyll's  july 1917

many many thanks

trevor 

 

[weshallremember]

 i got it wrong

1st wound grenade may 1916

2nd wound may 1917 ???????

3rd wound gsw to hand as per list by dave  newspaper says bullet wound to arm

trevor

[weshallremember]

so the grenade wound  with the 2 ARGYLL'S was why he was sent back to uk

he was put in the 3rd ARGYLL;S RESERVE BATTALION to recover 

where he went awol SEPT 1916

then when he returned ?? and got fit he was transferred to the 8th ARGYLL'S 

where he was wounded twice

BRILLIANT

 

[charlie962]

1 hour ago, weshallremember said:

was grenade

I'm hesitant.

The war diary says Minnies ie trench mortars. A mine was also exploded. Unlikely a hand grenade but perhaps a rifle grenade if trenches close enough. But I wonder if trench mortar got corrupted to grenade? 

[charlie962]

47 minutes ago, weshallremember said:

wound  with the 2 ARGYLL'S was why he was sent back to uk

he was put in the 3rd ARGYLL;S RESERVE BATTALION to recover 

where he went awol SEPT 1916

then when he returned ?? and got fit he was transferred to the 8th ARGYLL'S 

where he was wounded twice

I'd agree with that timing of trfs.

[weshallremember]

charlie

i agree trench mortar most likely

the dundee papers reports about the family were not very accurate

here's a pic of thomas with wound stripes

trevor