David_Blanchard Posted 4 March , 2023 Share Posted 4 March , 2023 (edited) I have found a faded map of the Klein Zillebeke - Zillebeke with adjoining woods- from the WD of the 3rd Cavalry Division, March 1915. I was wondering if anyone may have a map of the area that isn’t quite so faded which is 1: 10000 and roughly from the same time ? David Edited 4 March , 2023 by David_Blanchard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Regiano Posted 4 March , 2023 Share Posted 4 March , 2023 (edited) email sent Edited 4 March , 2023 by Don Regiano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 4 March , 2023 Share Posted 4 March , 2023 David Klein Zillebeke does not appear on the Zillebeke maps but on the Verbrandenmolen maps Square I 36. This map is updated to 18/03/1915 and is from the WD of 5 Div HQ GS. TNA WO 95/1512. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 4 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2023 Excellent, thanks again Brian, once more you have come up trumps! Could I ask another favour, I wonder if you have come across the next map to the east that might have Zandvoore on? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 4 March , 2023 Share Posted 4 March , 2023 Your wish is my command. This map of Hooge is in the April WD of 27 Div HQ GS TNA WO 95/2254. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 4 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2023 Brilliant! what can I say. Thanks again. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 4 March , 2023 Share Posted 4 March , 2023 David Zandvoorde is roughly east of Hollebeke and south west of Geluveld so below the map of Hooge. I have only seen one map of Hollebeke which is in the WD of 138 Infantry Brigade of 46 Div. The WD of 46 Div HQ GS has maps of Verbrandenmolen which go a bit further east than the above one but the map of Hollebeke from 138 IB does not go that far to the east. TNA WO 95/2688 - 138 IB April 1915. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 You could always adjust the curves. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Regiano Posted 6 March , 2023 Share Posted 6 March , 2023 Zandvoorde is in P3. This is an extract from 28SE1-3D-290716-Wervicq. There's also a Zandvoorde Switch covering J 34, 35, 36 (Gheluvelt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 This other map of Hollebeke is in the November 1914 WD of 2 Infantry Brigade, 1 Div. It has squares so it is probably a 1915 map put into the WD at a later stage. It shows P 3 and J 32 and 33. TNA WO 95/1267. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 7 March , 2023 Share Posted 7 March , 2023 The nearest date on TrenchMapper is August 1915 Name: Hollebeke Sheet: 28 NW 4 & 28 NE 3 & 28 SW 2 & 28 SE 1 [parts of] Scale: 1:10,000 Edition: 6/09/1915 2nd Army sheet 7 Trenches corrected to 6/9/1915. Printed 6/09/1915Id: ma_000730 Name: Hollebeke Sheet: 28 NW 4 & 28 NE 3 & 28 SW 2 & 28 SE 1 [parts of] Scale: 1:10,000 2nd Army sheet 7. On reverse "F. Hare 2Lt. MGO 7NF" Trenches corrected to15/11/1915. Printed 15/11/1915Id: m_96_000020 Name: Zillebeke Sheet: 28 NW 4 & 28 NE 3 [parts of] Scale: 1:10,000. Printed 3/08/1915Id: m_025814b Right click, choode Map ID Jump and use the IDs above. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 8 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2023 Thanks for all the help on this enquiry. My initial enquiry stemmed from an casuality evacuation chain used at First Ypres in the Zillebeke sector that I am investigating: "The 22nd FA of the 7th Division arrived at Zillebeke on the evening of the 28 October, following the deployment of two brigades of the division in the trenches from the Menin Road to a chateau north east of Zandvoorde. The violent attack made by the enemy early the next day led Major Archer, OC the FA, to quickly improvise a method of casualty evacuation. Arriving at Brigade Headquarters at 7am in Klein Zillebeke, Archer suggested to the Brigade Major that a Collecting Station for the regimental stretcher bearers about 600 yards behind the firing line and below a ridge, to be set up. The RAMC bearers of the FA were to collect the wounded from here and carry the men to edge of Basseville Wood, where waiting ambulance wagons would rendezvous and convey the casualties to a hastily formed ADS in Zillebeke, ‘from thence to be taken to Ypres by motor transport if possible. This was agreed to.’[1] There was one hitch to this plan; Colonel Swan, ADMS, notified Major Archer that motor ambulances could not be supplied from Zillebeke, but had arranged for supply wagons, returning empty to transport the wounded to Ypres. " I have tried to locate Basseville Wood on a trench map without success. However, it is on one of the maps from the OH for October 1914 (Maps Volume 2 - 1914) which is reproduced in Nigel Cave's 'Ypres 1914: The Menin Road' page 83 - 'The Defence of Gheluvelt, 31 October 1914' Basseville Wood is just to the north of Zandvoorde. If anyone has access to the OH maps volume 2 and could supply me with a better scan than the one in Nigel Cave's book, I would be extremely pleased! @David Filsell may be interested in this thread, perhaps! David [1] TNA: WO95/1647/2: 22nd Field Ambulance War Diary: October 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, David_Blanchard said: If anyone has access to the OH maps volume 2 and could supply me with a better scan than the one in Nigel Cave's book, I would be extremely pleased! Of course, it is on TrenchMapper- the whole set. Map ID jump to oh-1914-volume2-map27. You may have to adjust zoom to see it. Howard Edited 8 March , 2023 by Howard Added screen grab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 4 hours ago, David_Blanchard said: I have tried to locate Basseville Wood on a trench map without success. However, it is on one of the maps from the OH for October 1914 (Maps Volume 2 - 1914) which is reproduced in Nigel Cave's 'Ypres 1914: The Menin Road' page 83 - 'The Defence of Gheluvelt, 31 October 1914' Basseville Wood is just to the north of Zandvoorde. The quickest way to find Basseville Wood is to use Advanced Seacrh in TrenchMapper. It pops up as at 28.J.32.d.9.3 It is not named on all maps but is on this one:- Name: Enemy Disposition Map No. 73 Sheet: 28 NW & 28 NE & 28 SW & 28 SE [parts of] Scale: 1:10,000 Edition: 20/09/1918 German regiments 24/09/1918. Printed 24/09/1918 Id: m_88_000160 Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 8 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2023 Excellent thanks Howard, still not sure it is easy to jump to correct page on TM using an iMac. I will give it a try. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 1 minute ago, David_Blanchard said: Excellent thanks Howard, still not sure it is easy to jump to correct page on TM using an iMac. I will give it a try. David It is web based so independent of platform used. If you do get aggro, let us know and we will fix it. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 The crossroads at the bottom SW edge of Basseville Wood is marked on the above maps of Hollebeke in square P 2 b. It is marked as Basseville Cabt. J 32, 33 and 34 mentioned by Don Regiano on Monday are on the map of Hooge. The map only shows sub squares a and b for each unfortunately. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 8 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 8 March , 2023 Howard, Spent over an hour. Couldn't find the correct map and so tried to load another map from OH and it wouldn't load up David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard Posted 8 March , 2023 Share Posted 8 March , 2023 2 hours ago, David_Blanchard said: Howard, Spent over an hour. Couldn't find the correct map and so tried to load another map from OH and it wouldn't load up David Sorry to hear that, we will look into it. Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteStarLine Posted 9 March , 2023 Share Posted 9 March , 2023 11 hours ago, Howard said: Map ID jump to oh-1914-volume2-map27. You may have to adjust zoom to see it. Hi David, There are 3 ways to access the map links Howard has sent you. Hopefully at least one of these will work on your iMac. I've just tried the map id jump on Safari on a 2014 iPad Air without issue, apart from the difficulty of typing oh-1914-volume2-map27 using the on-screen keyboard! Right click over the map and select Map Id Jump, then type in or past the map id, such as m_88_000160. Use the menu at the top left to select Map Id Jump (we've added this in case you can't action the right click on your device). Direct link via the web URL + id. You can also navigate to the location and select them from the dropdown. Until we introduce filtering I wouldn't recommend this way. First a quick note on the map that gave you trouble, oh-1914-volume2-map27. These maps have given us trouble as each one has a different scale and we don't know it and can't predict what zoom levels to tile it at. In this example, zoom level 13 looks terrible and we didn't tile it at zoom level 8 so you just see a blank screen. We'll redo the zoom levels on this one in the next week or two. The public version of TrenchMapper does not require a login as it is zoom-restricted and does not offer free downloads. Therefore you can prepend a URL and open any map directly. For Official History maps, as most of them don't go beyond zoom level 15, this works just as well on the free and members' version. So any of the maps quoted by Howard earlier, oh-1914-volume2-map27, oh-1914-volume2-map27and m_88_000160 can be accessed directly: Official History 1914 Volume 2 Map 27 Official History 1914 Volume 2 Map 40 Basseville Wood Just put this in front on the id Howard posts, then scale down to see the entire map, or zoom in or pan the map around: https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id= Here are the first 20 of the 1914 series as a complete example: Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 01 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map01 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 02 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map02 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 03 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map03 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 04 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map04 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 05 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map05 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 08 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map08 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 09 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map09 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 10 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map10 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 11 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map11 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 12 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map12 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 16 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map16 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 17 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map17 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 18 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map18 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 19 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map19 Official History 1914 Volume 1 Map 20 https://wfa-cdn-test.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/t-mapper/wfa/wfamaps.html?id=oh-1914-volume1-map20 Cheers, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 9 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 9 March , 2023 Hi Bill, many thanks for devoting so much time to helping me out. much appreciated. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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