Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Hello everyone, As the title says, can someone help me translate the Formation abbreviation from inside the cap. Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Dear Stani, It looks very much like a Maker's name and a Size number, to me. Sorry to disappoint. Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Thank you for your response, I thought the abbreviation for Stab was "Stabsabteilung" But possibly it is Maker's name and a Size number. Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 I would say, but I am far from sure, "Brbg Stab 1 D 1 Esc". Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 It looks like Drag(oner) StahI II, 1.Esc(adron) to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Hello, I was thinking that too or the abbreviation Esc=(Escadra)(Escadre)? Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 I bought the cap with a jacket and trousers. This is how it was on the mannequin, I will publish pants later. It would be nice if you could help me determine if it's a set or just not compatible. Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 22 minutes ago, charlie2 said: It looks like Drag(oner) StahI II, 1.Esc(adron) to me Very well possible as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Such a set was on the mannequin before it came to me. My question is does it all fit together? I would love to put it on a mannequin at home and it would be nice if it all made sense :-) Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Photos with better contrast of the signature from the inside of the cap. Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Could it also be Dragoner Stab ...? GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 This is what my friend from Germany, a collector, wrote to me. Dragoner Stahl 2 Kompanie 1 Eskadron Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 5 minutes ago, Stani said: This is what my friend from Germany, a collector, wrote to me. Dragoner Stahl 2 Kompanie 1 Eskadron Stani That looks correct to me, it’s also exactly what @charlie2said earlier in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Hi Yes you are right, thanks for the information. Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: 30 minutes ago, Stani said: That looks correct to me, it’s also exactly what @charlie2said earlier in the thread. It sounds good, but is wrong. Kavallerie units like Dragoner never had Kompanien. They had Escadrons instead as equivalent. That´s why Escadron is correct, but Kompanie is impossible. If it is Stahl, then it could be Stahl 2 meaning that there were (at least) two men of the same name in the 1st Escadron, this cap being the one of Stahl 2. I think Charlie mentioned that possibility above. GreyC Edited 12 November , 2022 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 14 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: That looks correct to me, it’s also exactly what @charlie2said earlier in the thread. No, It is Dragoner Stahl II 1. Eskadron (the "II" behind the name indicates there were at least 2 men with the name Stahl and this cap belonged to the second one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Just now, AOK4 said: No, It is Dragoner Stahl II 1. Eskadron (the "II" behind the name indicates there were at least 2 men with the name Stahl and this cap belonged to the second one). That’s surprising. Did they not have regimental service numbers for such identification purposes? 3 minutes ago, GreyC said: It sounds good, but is wrong. Kavallerie units like Dragoner never had Kompanien. They had Escadrons instead as equivalent. That´s why Escadron is correct, but Kompanie is impossible. If it is Stahl, then it could be Stahl 2 meaning that there were (at least) two men of the same name in the 1st Escadron, this cap being the one of Stahl 2. I think Jan mentioned that possibility above. GreyC Thank you GreyC, you and Jan have made it clear now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 I beat you to it, Jan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 (edited) Gentlemen, thanks for your help, now everything is clear. One more question, do the pants match the jacket?:-) Stani Edited 12 November , 2022 by Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 2 minutes ago, Stani said: Gentlemen, thanks for your help, now everything is clear. One more question, do the pants match the jacket?:-) Stani No they definitely do not. 10 minutes ago, GreyC said: I beat you to it, Jan! You did indeed by a few seconds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Which formation do the pants belong to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 (edited) Hi, I agree with Jan. Jacket is from Feldarttillerie-Regiment 29 (Württemberg). Trousers Dragoner Reg. 7- GreyC Edited 12 November , 2022 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stani Posted 12 November , 2022 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Thanks for your reply, I will send additional photos if needed. Stani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 5 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: That’s surprising. Did they not have regimental service numbers for such identification purposes? No, not in the sense that we know from the British Army, they had a Stammrollen number - a number on the Muster Roll - which was more often than not stamped on their ID disc. The Muster Rolls were held for each Company and all started with the number 1. The Stammrolle register (see attached) was divided up alphabetically and the number could then be used to access the service record entry. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 12 November , 2022 Share Posted 12 November , 2022 Uniforms are not my area of expertise but looking through my copy of Knötel & Pietsch I can‘t find an exact match for the cap, which regiment does it belong to? The national cockade is set very high which suggests the cap had been worn post war and had another badge below the national cockade. The cockade in the middle of the hatband isn‘t from the Imperial Army. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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