DisasterDog Posted 2 October , 2022 Share Posted 2 October , 2022 Hi guys! New to GWF and figured I’d introduce myself by sharing this. My main interest is WW2 and random British stuff, so this is one of few WW1 items in my collection. I know it’s a WW1 Victory Medal named to a sepoy in the British Indian Army, but not much beyond that. 3132 Sepoy Subah Khan, 102 Grenadiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 3 October , 2022 Share Posted 3 October , 2022 Welcome to the forum Don’t like any grenadier things myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullochArd Posted 3 October , 2022 Share Posted 3 October , 2022 Welcome DisasterDog. 102 PWO Grenadiers. Nice medal with potential Mesopotamia connections to follow up on. Is it sitting on a related box or letter of some sort? If so, would you be kind enough to share an image of that with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisasterDog Posted 4 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2022 16 hours ago, TullochArd said: Welcome DisasterDog. 102 PWO Grenadiers. Nice medal with potential Mesopotamia connections to follow up on. Is it sitting on a related box or letter of some sort? If so, would you be kind enough to share an image of that with us. The box is unrelated, the lid from a POF .410 crate that I use for storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisasterDog Posted 4 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 October , 2022 I have been able to find close matches to this individual, but not the exact name, service number, or unit. Everything is “off” slightly, and I wonder if there is a typo somewhere in all of this. The closest related I have been able to find is under 101 Grenadiers. That said, I feel like I have exhausted my basic Google capabilities concerning the context of this. I am curious to know where this medal originates, as well as the history of the 102 (and 101) Grenadiers during this time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 4 October , 2022 Share Posted 4 October , 2022 @MaureenE may be able to give some pointers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 4 October , 2022 Share Posted 4 October , 2022 (edited) There are FIBIS Fibiwiki pages 102nd Prince of Wales's Own Grenadiers https://wiki.fibis.org/w/102nd_Prince_of_Wales's_Own_Grenadiers and also 101st Grenadiers https://wiki.fibis.org/w/101st_Grenadiers These pages mention the regimental histories which were written for the Great War period, (however these may not be widely available). For general information, there are also FIBIS Fibiwiki pages Medals https://wiki.fibis.org/w/Medals and Medal Rolls https://wiki.fibis.org/w/Medal_Rolls However, not much information survives for Indian awarded medals. The website https://www.researchingww1.co.uk has general information about researching a soldier in the Indian Army, in particular the page https://www.researchingww1.co.uk/indian-infantry-regiments scroll down to 4 links about the 1st and 2nd Battalions of the two regiments, which include some details of War Diaries available at the National Archives, Kew. At least some of these War Diaries have been digitised, and although in the past there was a payment required to download these from the National Archives website https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk I think currently, due to covid restrictions, these downloads a free (but you first need to register). The War Diaries are mainly handwritten, so you need to be able to read the handwriting. Maureen Edited 4 October , 2022 by MaureenE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 October , 2022 Share Posted 4 October , 2022 (edited) During WW1 the regiment of Sepoy Subah Khan was titled the 102nd (King Edward’s Own**) Grenadiers. Along with the 101st it had originally been raised in the Bombay Presidency of the Honourable East India Company. In 1922 as part of the large reforms of the British-Indian Army following lessons learned in WW1, the regiment was retitled as a battalion of the 4th Bombay Grenadiers. It’s successors still exist in the post 1947 Indian Army and are considered an elite unit. See also: 1.https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/178758-102nd-grenadiers-and-95th-russells-infantry/ 2.https://www.britishempire.co.uk/forces/armyunits/indianinfantry/102ndgrenadiers.htm 3.https://www.researchingww1.co.uk/102nd-grenadiers **before 1906 - Prince of Wales’s Own. Edited 4 October , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 4 October , 2022 Share Posted 4 October , 2022 Maureen and frogsmile have some great info. Here are the Mespot war diaries for 102nd Grenadiers. Free to download if you register. Sometimes they name individuals? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Wo95+mesopotamia+102+grenadiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 October , 2022 Share Posted 4 October , 2022 14 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Maureen and frogsmile have some great info. Here are the Mespot war diaries for 102nd Grenadiers. Free to download if you register. Sometimes they name individuals? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Wo95+mesopotamia+102+grenadiers I think they’re also at my third link above Charlie, or at the very least some of them are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 4 October , 2022 Share Posted 4 October , 2022 1 hour ago, FROGSMILE said: think they’re also at my third link above Charlie, or at the very least some of them are Problem with those links- dated and are now incorrect and incomplete. I have provided the links that are available today. But the commentary in Armynumberblogspot is very helpful. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 4 October , 2022 Share Posted 4 October , 2022 23 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Problem with those links- dated and are now incorrect and incomplete. I have provided the links that are available today. But the commentary in Armynumberblogspot is very helpful. Charlie Thanks Charlie, I didn’t realise that researchingww1 link contained out-of-date data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisasterDog Posted 5 October , 2022 Author Share Posted 5 October , 2022 Thank you all so much!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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