Sam Sherborne Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 My Great Grandfather died two years after the war in 1920. The family story passed down is that he died from scaring to the lungs from gas. He lived on the sea front at Redcar perhaps for the air. Just wondered if there was a way to find out whether this is accurate and if it is where it took place. Thanks Sam Sherborne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acknown Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 (edited) There is a pension record for him, but no cause of death (Fold3 via WFA): Acknown Edited 27 August , 2022 by Acknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 13 minutes ago, Sam Sherborne said: way to find out The death certificate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sherborne Posted 27 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 August , 2022 Thanks Acknown and Charlie. I'll have to up skill myself and find the death certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 (edited) He was very active in Redcar 1919/20 so I'm surprised not to find a local paper obit? JP, chairman Redcar Urban Council etc. Edited 27 August , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 (edited) A Findmypast clipping here merely says his health undoubtedly suffered from experience on the Somme 1916. "The British Newspaper Archive | findmypast.co.uk" https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0003631%2f19200918%2f005&stringtohighlight=major crone Edited 27 August , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 (edited) 11/3/16 Lieut JS Crone, the well known Middlesboro stockbroker, left for the Front Tuesday. Oct 1916. Temp Lieut JS Crone to be Temp Capt. Oct 1916. Temp Capt JS Crone to be Temp Major. Edited 27 August , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 (edited) Service record at National Archives is under this ref: WO 339/15650 Check this site? Interesting links. "The Yorkshire Regiment, WW1 Remembrance - Photos of Individuals" http://www.ww1-yorkshires.org.uk/html-files/soldiers-photos/crone-james.htm D company 10th Bn Mametz Wood. Edited 27 August , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 (edited) War Diary 10th Bn. 12/3/16 Armentieres. Capt JS Croon reported for duty with the Bn and posted to 'B' coy. (ie not D yet). Somme. 1/7/16 The initial diary is thin because the CO invalided took the main report with him and it doesn't seem to have been added back later? 11/7/16 ..62nd Bde.. ordered to finish clearing of Mametz Wood.. 14/7/16 ..in wood, attack started.. 15/7/16 Mametz Wood.. D and C Coys sent forward under Capt Crone and Capt Goater... The road ( in front of Bezantine le Petit Wood) was taken with a few casualties.. No further mention of him in war diary 1916,early 1917.. Nat Archives: "10 Battalion Yorkshire Regiment | The National Archives" https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7353164 Or on Ancestry here : "Ancestry.co.uk - UK, World War I War Diaries (France, Belgium and Germany), 1914-1920" https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60779/images/43849_2156_2-00048?backlabel=ReturnSearchResults&queryId=4d999bd4f084b1294eaac1453d7042ad&pId=681255 Edited 27 August , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sherborne Posted 27 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 August , 2022 Thanks Charlie for putting some flesh on the bones of the knowledge I have of him and for the leads. I will bite the bullet and subscribe to the archives for more detail. I have particular empathy as like me he lived in Yorkshire, was a keen rower [I have a clock he won on the Tees], and my son seems to look a lot like him-the cheek bones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 The war diaries at Nat Archives are currently free to download if you register. If their quote for copying an officer's service file seems steep then try a private researcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 This researcher is always being recommended although I've not used him and have no connection . "Archive Research" https://www.arcre.com 8 minutes ago, Sam Sherborne said: as like me he lived in Yorkshire I'm so sorry to hear that. !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sherborne Posted 27 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 August , 2022 God's own Country! Thank again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 27 August , 2022 Share Posted 27 August , 2022 1 hour ago, charlie962 said: Somme. 1/7/16 The initial diary is thin because the CO invalided took the main report with him and it doesn't seem to have been added back later? There is more to be gained in reading the chapter on the 10th Bn in The Green Howards in the Great war by H C Wylly regarding the early days of the opening of the Somme offensive The Battalion were disbanded in Febuary 1918 As J S Crone is local to me I did a few years back research him a little Briefly from my notes (condensed) at the time . James was born at 5 High Street North Ormesby Middlesbrough where his parents George and Susanah Crone had a drapers shop the family later moved to 34-36 Smeaton Street North Ormesby, which was on the corner of the High Street and Smeaton Street in North Ormesby, James will have attended Smeaton Street School during his early days James moved to West Terrace Coatham Redcar with his parents and siblings where he was initialy employed as a clerk for an ironmaster later went into partnership with Todd as stock and share brokers with offices in Middlesbrough He married Annie Louisa Salmon and and continued to reside in Coatham Redcar James is interred in Christ Church, Church Cemetery Coatham along with his wife and only son He is not commemorated on the cwgc register and is interred in a private grave (no CWGC stone) I can only assume that his death at home was not attributed to his war service, hence no entry in the cwgc register You could order his death cirtificate to determine the cause of death if it can be proven that his death at home after the armistice was the result of or aggravated by his war service then his name could be put forward for inclusion on the register Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sherborne Posted 27 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 August , 2022 Thanks Ray. Great to have all this new information. I'll look for the gravestone next time I'm in Redcar. I stood outside where I believe he lived for a while, 49 Newcomen Terrace the other day, brilliant sea view. I'll get hold of the H C Wylly book. I didn't know that he had a boy child until recently [who must have died as baby or at birth]. He was so keen to have a boy that one of his 5 daughters was referred to as John, may be not Christened John, but we knew her as Great Aunt John. That's a good reason to order the death certificate. Thanks again Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 28 August , 2022 Share Posted 28 August , 2022 A couple of photos I took of Christcurch churchyard way back in 2009 Rear view rear side view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sherborne Posted 28 August , 2022 Author Share Posted 28 August , 2022 Fine looking church. Should be easy to find with a spire like that. The gravestone might be more of a challenge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Conway Posted 25 December , 2022 Share Posted 25 December , 2022 On 27/08/2022 at 09:25, Sam Sherborne said: My Great Grandfather died two years after the war in 1920. The family story passed down is that he died from scaring to the lungs from gas. He lived on the sea front at Redcar perhaps for the air. Just wondered if there was a way to find out whether this is accurate and if it is where it took place. Thanks Sam Sherborne Hi @Sam Sherborne Major James Smart Crone lived in my house, Wivenhoe, and I have been researching him for a while. Unfortunately he died from appendicitis and pylephlebitis, unbelievable today given what he had just been through. James Smart Crone Death Certificate.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Conway Posted 25 December , 2022 Share Posted 25 December , 2022 Another photo I have of him and a colourised version of the one above, kindly colourised for me by local historian and author Paul menzies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 25 December , 2022 Share Posted 25 December , 2022 Death Cirt from the link above As an aside The informant on the above death cirtificate was Henry Stanley Davies who can be found on the 1911 census aged 19 residing at 35 Parliment Road Middlesbrough employed as a stockbrokers clerk (most likley an employee of Crone) Henry Stanley Davies served in the R.A.M.C throughout the war (service number 31515) enlisted 1/9/1914, to class Z reserves 20/3/1919 Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Conway Posted 25 December , 2022 Share Posted 25 December , 2022 Dr Dickies Nursing Home, Ardencaple on Southfield Road, Middlesbrough, where James died, now sadly demolished. Obviously James was a wealthy individual who could afford private health care in the days before the NHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sherborne Posted 27 December , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 December , 2022 Thanks Ray for this information. Very interesting. J.S Crone was our great grandfather. You probably know more about him than I do but as children we met some of his children, Elsie [my grandmother], Susie [she had a 10 acre croft farm on Dartmoor and her newly married husband Cragg disappeared in a flying boat in WW2], Joy [The house keeper for a landed person in Midhurst, John [ a farmer's wife] and Mary [I think a secretary]. I have a clock and two rowing tankards that he won rowing. Otherwise we don't know very much about him. Anecdotal things such as he was desperate for a son, so much so that he named one of his daughters John. Joy gave me the clock because she knew I passionate about rowing. Joy also told me that you could see an advert for his stockbroking company as you arrived on the train in Middlesborough long after he had died. More later. Still a bit in Christmas mode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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