1913 Remington Bayonet

[Mick M]

2 hours ago, AndyBsk said:

Looks like a early M1887 bayonet.I assume the maker is WKC Solingen and date in Hijra 1306.

Yes I thought that as they dropped the curved quillion.....I have no idea of maker's etc I need a book of markings.

[trajan]

Yes, Weyersburg Kirschbaum & Cie, the giveaway being what looks like a reversed 3 at the start (i.e., on the right) of the stamp. There is no good book that shows or lists all these markings, and the style of each maker's mark seems to vary somewhat. 

SS and I did post a fair few of these marks years ago at https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/161354-turkish-bayonets/#comment-1565010, but then for some reason not explained SS locked the thread and removed the photographs he had published... But some are also shown on: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/227053-turkish-bayonets-ii/#comment-2327700    

Trajan

 

[Mick M]

45 minutes ago, trajan said:

Yes, Weyersburg Kirschbaum & Cie, the giveaway being what looks like a reversed 3 at the start (i.e., on the right) of the stamp. There is no good book that shows or lists all these markings, and the style of each maker's mark seems to vary somewhat. 

SS and I did post a fair few of these marks years ago at https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/161354-turkish-bayonets/#comment-1565010, but then for some reason not explained SS locked the thread and removed the photographs he had published... But some are also shown on: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/227053-turkish-bayonets-ii/#comment-2327700    

Trajan

 

Brilliant thank you, was the M1887 still in service for WW1?

[trajan]

2 hours ago, Mick M said:

Brilliant thank you, was the M1887 still in service for WW1?

As far as I know yes! The Ottoman army in WW1 was using all kinds of stuff, albeit with old guns mainly in the reserves and jandarma units

Trajan 

[Winterhawk]

While we are sort of on the topic of the Remington Bayonets. What do you make of this one? The bayonet is a Remington P-17 originally manufactured for the British but taken into US service (British marks are scored out). Its the scabbard I am wondering about. I have never seen a Remington painted like this. Is this a home improvement, something that dates from WWII or a reproduction? I have an WWII Aussie scabbard which has the metal painted green so its not unheard of. I am considering purchasing it but am a bit concerned about the scabbard. Can I get an opinion?

[reese williams]

Many of the US scabbards were painted that color. It's an original paint job. 

[4thGordons]

3 hours ago, reese williams said:

Many of the US scabbards were painted that color. It's an original paint job. 

Agree.

If you look or have the current owner look on the back of the scabbard leather along the seam - there might well be a maker's stamp - something like JEWELL and possibly a date (eg 1918)

Chris

[Mick M]

On 15/10/2022 at 15:33, trajan said:

As far as I know yes! The Ottoman army in WW1 was using all kinds of stuff, albeit with old guns mainly in the reserves and jandarma units

Trajan 

Thank you.

[trajan]

Confirm on the green scabbard, I had one a while back before wretched Turkish inflation (currently 84%) and school fees caused a 'review' of my collection...