Cavalryman24 Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 Hi all, I have a conundrum I am trying to trace the POW record for the above 21st Lancer. this is what I have: GS/5864 Pte Stanley Knowles, Stanley enlisted into the 21st Lancers and joined No 1 Service Squadron disembarking in France on 15th June 1916. He was wounded on patrol on 17th March 1917 north of Etricourt sic (Etricourt –Manancourt) due to enemy fire he was not recovered immediately and by the time a volunteer party had returned to collect him in the evening he was missing. It was assumed he had been captured by the Germans however he does not appear on the ICRC records as a POW although he is recorded as a POW on 14th May 1917 by the Western Front Association. Stanley’s medal roll indicates he was discharged to the reserve on 5th April 1919. I have found a POW record for a Stancey Knowles but cannot confirm it is the same man Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alf mcm Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 (edited) Searching the medal rolls for 'Stanley Rowles' and 'Lancers' as a keyword gives only 1 result. This is the GS/5864 later l/10044. Searching just with 'Knowles' and 'Lancers' as a keyword gives 5 results. Only one is a 'Stanley' and none are 'S. Rowles'. It looks like the record is for your man. Regards, Alf McM Edited 4 July , 2022 by alf mcm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalryman24 Posted 4 July , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 July , 2022 Thanks alf mcm I was hoping someone may have further supporting evidence of him as a POW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acknown Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 There are no useful clues that I can see in the ICRC Record. Perhaps the squadron of 21/L that served on the WF was within a formation with the number '24'. Beyond my research capabilities. Perhaps a German speaker can add something. Acknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 I don't know if you have seen this entry in the Admissions and Discharge book for No 2 General Hospital as held by Find My Past:- 21/Lancers #5864 Pte. Knowles, S Age 34 Completed years of service - 2 Completed months with field force - 5 Illness - Diarrhoea Admitted - 13.10.16 Discharged - 7.11.16 Discharged to - Convalescent Depot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalryman24 Posted 4 July , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 July , 2022 No 1 Service Squadron served with 2nd King Edwards Horse Many thanks Allan further valuable info on my man. Does FMP have anything on him being a POW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 2 minutes ago, Cavalryman24 said: Many thanks Allan further valuable info on my man. Does FMP have anything on him being a POW? Unfortunately not, I was surprised that they haven't as I have had success on FMP for all of my POW searches. The page that he appears on records the illness for every name as Diarrhoea or Dysentery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalryman24 Posted 4 July , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 July , 2022 That's the trouble I have had tracking down a POW record on ICRC and I think the image I put in my question is the reason as I think he was list incorrectly. I don't have access to the Western Front Association records so could not see the full details only his listing as a POW in May 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acknown Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 (edited) Here is his Pension Card (via Fold 3/WFA): It seems that he was reported dead on 06 Jun 17, but then found to be alive and a POW. I ought to know what a C2 Casualty is, but I don't. Acknown Addition: In fact, 'C2 Cas' may mean that the case was given to the C2 Casualty department of the War Office that was responsible for casualty lists. Edited 4 July , 2022 by Acknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 S Knowles 5864 (Darwen) of the Lancers is shown as a released pow (of the Germans) arrived back in England per the DailyCasList of 13/1/1919. "The British Newspaper Archive | findmypast.co.uk" https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0001953%2f19190121%2f021&stringtohighlight=knowles 5864 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 S.Knowles 5846 (sic), Lancers, Darwen, was shown as wounded and missing in the Daily Casualty list of The Times 2/5/17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 4 July , 2022 Share Posted 4 July , 2022 4 hours ago, Cavalryman24 said: No 1 Service Squadron served with 2nd King Edwards Horse The ICRC record you posted does at least say he was 1 eskadron, (ie 1 Squadron) and given the list date and the fact he was wounded and hospitalized(lazarette) makes it pretty certain it is your man. That 24 Cav Regt could be a misread of 21? @charlie2is good on these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 5 July , 2022 Share Posted 5 July , 2022 The list which was sent from the Prussian War Ministry on 19.05.1917, records a GSW to his right thigh and knee and that he was transferred from Kriegslazarett Cambrai to Reserve Lazarett III Hamburg. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familyhistoryman Posted 5 July , 2022 Share Posted 5 July , 2022 13 hours ago, Cavalryman24 said: Thanks alf mcm I was hoping someone may have further supporting evidence of him as a POW. Hi The Darwen News has the following reports for Trooper Stanley Knowles 21st Lancers of 17 Alpha St Darwen 18 Apr 1917 - wounded. This report is repeated in the 21 Apr issue. There is a third report 2 Jun 1917 that mentions he was POW. I will get transcriptions of these reports when I am next in Darwen Library Regards, Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familyhistoryman Posted 5 July , 2022 Share Posted 5 July , 2022 Hi I should have mentioned that at the end of the war Darwen published a booklet that listed the town’s POWs. Knowles is included gives his regiment as Lancers No 10044 date of capture 18 Mar 1917 Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 5 July , 2022 Share Posted 5 July , 2022 As an aside, I note that Findmypast have at least 3 early 'attempts' at enlistment by Stanley Knowles of Darwen, birth date around 1883. One discharge by purchase, one discharge underage etc. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalryman24 Posted 5 July , 2022 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2022 (edited) Thank you to everyone who has responded, I now have masses of information about Stanley, what a fantastic resource the Forum is. He was given a new number on repatriation of L/10044 on joining the Corps of Lancers prior to his discharge. Edited 5 July , 2022 by Cavalryman24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 5 July , 2022 Share Posted 5 July , 2022 12 hours ago, charlie962 said: That 24 Cav Regt could be a misread of 21? It could also be a misread of XIV Corps Cavalry Regiment. http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/cavalry-regiments/the-lancers/ Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familyhistoryman Posted 6 July , 2022 Share Posted 6 July , 2022 Hi Copied below are the reported from the Darwen News Regards, Tony Darwen News, Wednesday, Apr 18, 1917. [The same report appeared in the following Saturday's issue] Trooper S Knowles Mrs Stanley Knowles, of 17 Alpha Street, has received information that her husband, Trooper Stanley Knowles, of the 21st Lancers, has been wounded and missing since March 18th 1917. He has been in France about a year. He enlisted on November 24th 1914. He was a joiner by trade, and he worked for Messrs Wilson, joiners and builders at Lower Darwen. He was an enthusiastic cricketer, having played with the Central Wesleyans for many year, and up to the time of enlisting was a member of the Darwen Cricket Team. He attended Railway road Wesleyan Chapel. Darwen News, Saturday, Jun 2, 1917 Mrs Knowles, of 17 Alpha Street, has received a card from Grastrow Camp (Germany), stating that ther husband, Trooper Stanley Knowles, (34), who was reported wounded and missing on March 18th is now wounded and a prisoner of War. Trooper Knowles, who joined the army in November 1914, went to France in June 1916. Before enlisting he was a joiner for Mr Wilson, of Lower Darwen, and attended Railway Road Wesleyan Chapel, from whom he played cricket before joining the Darwen team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 6 July , 2022 Share Posted 6 July , 2022 (edited) Good stuff, Tony. Long worrying wait for his wife. Charlie Edited 6 July , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalryman24 Posted 7 July , 2022 Author Share Posted 7 July , 2022 Once again many thanks for the assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now