2li Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Hello I am trying to find out about a soldier off the King's Liverpool Regt. who won the MM. I have found nothing to confirm this only one card which states MM. his medal card has no mention off the MM. Any help much appriciated Philip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Here is the record on Ancestry if you susbcribe UK, British Army Recipients of the Military Medal, 1914-1920 - Ancestry.co.uk Name: George Pryer Regimental Number: 11423 Regiment: The King's (Liverpool) Regiment Battalion: 1st Battalion Rank: Corporal Medals: Military Medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 here is gazette entry Page 9004 | Supplement 29749, 12 September 1916 | London Gazette | The Gazette the header on page 8997 War Office, 14th September, 1916. His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to award the Military Medal for bravery in the field to the undermentioned: — Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 His MM Index Card image (TNA WO 372/23/156469 ) - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6209771 Bate & Williamson state that this gazette was mainly awards for March-May 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 War diary 1st Bn. KLR (1916): https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052881 NB Pages for May 1916 are missing! They were at Vimy Ridge in early June 1916. Diary entry for 24th June 1916 mentions MMs, but not Pryer (TNA): These men were listed in the LG on 10 Aug 1916: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29701/supplement/7889 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) The DCMs listed on 24th June were in the LG on 27 July 1916: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29684/supplement/7449 (NB I think Pryer's MM was recommended in May 1916). Edited 1 July , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) I see he was reported missing in the papers of Sept 1916, subsequently confirmed PoW. You will find him in the ICRC database. Was it same event as MM?? Probably not. Charlie Eg R51749 and PA6374, the latter showing capture, wounded, 8/8/16 Guillemont with D Company. Edited 1 July , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) Hi Charlie, If he was reported missing in the papers in Sept 1916 it would have happened c.6 weeks before, in July? I think his MM was for May - the missing month of the WD. Although his was gazetted later than the June MMs, it was a retrospective gazette. The MMs listed in June may have been for this action on 1st June 1916: Edited 1 July , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 The Capt. Roland Grimston Tudor who got a MC in June 1916 was in the LG 27 July 1916: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29684/supplement/7434 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 He may have gone missing during this period in late July: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 Some later medal awards - 17 Sept. 1916 6 Oct 1916: 8 Nov 1916: Certificates & medals 6th & 9th Dec 1916: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 4 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: was reported missing in the papers in Sept 1916 it would have happened c.6 weeks before, in July? Ivor I've edited my prev post to add date of capture 8/8/16 at Guillemont. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, charlie962 said: I've edited my prev post to add date of capture 8/8/16 at Guillemont. Great Charlie, so he was a PoW from 8 August 1916 right through until 1919? Edited 1 July , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbohl Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 A few bits to add:- The ICRC record is a bit jumbled, Pryor, J.G ? From Anc There is a near service record, Pte #11421 Doyle enlisted Liverpool 25th Aug 1914 Went to France 8th Dec 1915 The only Pryer in Liverpool in 1914 is:- Name:Mary Pryer Residence Year:1913-1914 Street Address:22 Cadmus Street Residence Place:Lancashire, England Electoral District:Liverpool, Everton Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) The problem there is that George Pryer went to France before Doyle even enlisted (Ancestry 1914 star roll & MIC). George Pryer was a pre-WW1 soldier: Is there an age on his PoW records? Would he have been with the KLR on the 1911 census? The 1st Bn. served in south Africa, Burma & India pre WW1. Edited 1 July , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 Re Charlie's discovery that George Pryer was captured near Guillemont on the 8th August - the war diary has a three page account of this action - end records: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) There are many other 1st KLR MMs in the 14/09/1916 LG - 19 at least - these must have been for a major action: Sjt. Arthur William Sissons 9437 has the schedule no. 32216 (3rd, late 1st Bn.) KIA 26 March 1918 Pte. (L/Cpl.) William Orr 10320 has the schedule no. 32217 (Prisoner of War) Sjt. Patrick Gaffney 8624 has the schedule no. 32219 Pte. George Hall 28080 has the schedule no. 32221 Cpl. C. Greaves 9503 has the schedule no. 32222 (Killed 15 Nov 1916) Sjt. John Critchley 11020 has the schedule no. 32223 L/Sjt Frederick Stephens 9599 has the schedule no. 32226 ('missing' on MIC) Pte. (L/Cpl.) Harry Pipe 11614 has the schedule no. before Pryer - 32229 (killed 15 Nov 1916) Cpl. George Pryer 11423 has the schedule no. 32230 Sjt. William T Howard 11723 has the schedule no. after Pryer - 32231 Cpl. Joseph Eastwood 11635 has the schedule no. 32234 There are no important actions recorded during March-April 1916. The fact that the WD is missing for May 1916 seems significant! Edited 2 July , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Additional Info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 2 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: an age on his PoW records? Born 28/9/94 Rotherhythe, London. Nok mother 119 Selwood St. He looks to have several wounds, head, shoulder and stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Born 28/9/94 Rotherhythe, London. Nok mother 119 Selwood St. Thanks Charlie! Family tree on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/164326204/person/322222567767/facts?_phsrc=qzF61&_phstart=successSource 121 Selwood St in 1911 - aged 16, printing machine operative for compositor. Married a Belgian lady in 1919. Died 12 February 1945. Edited 1 July , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) Useful map showing where he was captured on 8th August 1916: http://somme-roll-of-honour.com/Maps/Guillemont3.htm Those who died: http://somme-roll-of-honour.com/Units/british/1st_Liverpool.htm Edited 1 July , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 Hi, Philip, 13 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: The DCMs listed on 24th June were in the LG on 27 July 1916 Those DCMs appear to have been awarded for actions on1st to 3rd June 1916. Images sourced from the National Archives 12 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: The Capt. Roland Grimston Tudor who got a MC in June 1916 was in the LG 27 July 1916: At the mo, I'm having a bit of a difficulty finding the annotated citation for that award. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 4 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: Pryer was a pre-WW1 soldier: His age and entry date would fit with a Nov/Dec 1912 enlistment. See near numbers Hunter 11448, and 11426 Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 2 July , 2022 Share Posted 2 July , 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, charlie962 said: See near numbers Hunter 11448, and 11426 Ryan. Thanks Charlie. Don't see them. but the enlistment date/age makes sense. Bate & Williamson state that this gazette listed retrospective awards for March-May 1916, but there are so many to 1 Bn. in it! 1st Bn. suffered nearly 600 casualties in May 1915 (below) I notice the Dec 1915 WD is missing too, and much of the 1915 WD is extracts from the CO's personal diary. Edited 2 July , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 2 July , 2022 Share Posted 2 July , 2022 11 hours ago, clk said: At the mo, I'm having a bit of a difficulty finding the annotated citation for that award. Thanks for the DCM's date confirmation Chris. Tudor's MC was obviously also for early June too, and unconnected to Pryor's MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 2 July , 2022 Share Posted 2 July , 2022 Hi, 12 hours ago, clk said: Hi, Philip, Those DCMs appear to have been awarded for actions on1st to 3rd June 1916. Images sourced from the National Archives At the mo, I'm having a bit of a difficulty finding the annotated citation for that award. Regards Chris 1 hour ago, Ivor Anderson said: Tudor's MC was obviously also for early June too, and unconnected to Pryor's MM. Got it now! Image sourced from the National Archives Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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