Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Hello and thank you for adding me to the forum! I purchased these two pewter tankards from a local antiques shop, I was very interested in them as I have an interest in ww1 and assumed these would be soldiers that ended up serving in the Great War. I originally assumed (wrongly) that these were both to the same man, it turns out they are to two brothers, Geoffrey and George Noah Heath! I was also shocked to find some info online for Geoffrey who was unfortunately KIA at Gallipoli in 1915. George survived the war. can anyone else give me any other info on the two men? Very happy to have found these two still together after over 110 years and they will now have a place in my collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Welcome to the forum. I don't know if you have seen his entry on the Cheshire Roll of Honour -- the link below will take you to it. Captain Geoffrey HEATH (cheshireroll.co.uk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Thank you Allan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Hi and welcome here is Geoffrey on CWGC Captain Geoffrey Heath | War Casualty Details 694580 | CWGC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Just now, jonbem said: Hi and welcome here is Geoffrey on CWGC Captain Geoffrey Heath | War Casualty Details 694580 | CWGC Thank you Jon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Also the MIC (free on Ancestry once registered) shows entry to war 9/8/15, UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 - Ancestry.co.uk The CWGC shows death the next day 10/8/15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 George served in WW2 as a Colonel in the West Lancashire Home Guard (image courtesy of Find My Past) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Welcome to GWF. George Noah HEATH His MIC Shows he got a 1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal - and a Distinguished Service Order His post-war address was in Macclesfield M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 1 minute ago, jonbem said: Also the MIC (free on Ancestry once registered) shows entry to war 9/8/15, UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 - Ancestry.co.uk The CWGC shows death the next day 10/8/15. Yes just saw that! By the look of it he was killed as he landed in Suvla bay, I saw a reference to George serving in the home guard in WW2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 (edited) George Noah HEATH Quite a few London Gazette entries under his full name https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?text="george+noah+heath"&categorycode-all=all¬icetypes=&location-postcode-1=&location-distance-1=1&location-local-authority-1=&numberOfLocationSearches=1&start-publish-date=&end-publish-date=&edition=&london-issue=&edinburgh-issue=&belfast-issue=&sort-by=oldest-date&results-page-size=50 There are others as George N HEATH https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?text="george+n+heath"&categorycode-all=all¬icetypes=&location-postcode-1=&location-distance-1=1&location-local-authority-1=&numberOfLocationSearches=1&start-publish-date=&end-publish-date=&edition=&london-issue=&edinburgh-issue=&belfast-issue=&sort-by=oldest-date&results-page-size=50 and as G N HEATH https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?text="g+n+heath"&categorycode-all=all¬icetypes=&location-postcode-1=&location-distance-1=1&location-local-authority-1=&numberOfLocationSearches=1&start-publish-date=&end-publish-date=&edition=&london-issue=&edinburgh-issue=&belfast-issue=&sort-by=oldest-date&results-page-size=50 M Edited 27 June , 2022 by Matlock1418 add other LG links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 2 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Welcome to GWF. George Noah HEATH His MIC Shows he got a 1914-15 Star, British War Medal and Victory Medal - and a Distinguished Service Order His post-war address was in Macclesfield M Thank you! I saw that on Ancestry but it was very blurry so couldn’t make it out! Do you think there is any chance of finding his DSO citation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Courtesy of the National Archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 3 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: George Noah HEATH Quite a few London Gazette entries under his full name https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?text="george+noah+heath"&categorycode-all=all¬icetypes=&location-postcode-1=&location-distance-1=1&location-local-authority-1=&numberOfLocationSearches=1&start-publish-date=&end-publish-date=&edition=&london-issue=&edinburgh-issue=&belfast-issue=&sort-by=oldest-date&results-page-size=50 There may be others as George N HEATH and/or G N HEATH M That is awesome thank you!!!! Very happy with my 20pounds purchase ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jay Hewitt said: Do you think there is any chance of finding his DSO citation? The chances are it will be in the LG under his full name. As for a DSO Bar here it is https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30643/supplement/4820 Major George Noah Heath, D.S.O:, Ches. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. He went forward to obtain information as to the situation during an attack. Though wounded he succeeded in reaching the attacking battalion, crossing an extended zone swept by heavy machine-gun and shell fire. He obtained accurate information at a critical time and showed great courage and initiative. (D.S.O. gazetted 1st January, 1918.) It may be that another member will be able to also find it with an annotated place(s) - there are such registers at TNA - here's hoping One wonders if the 1 Jan 1918 DSO was a New Years Honour for generally good service [?] here's the EG for its award https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/13186/page/28 M Edited 27 June , 2022 by Matlock1418 add link to EG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 2 minutes ago, Allan1892 said: Courtesy of the National Archives DSO and bar!!!!! Wow 😮 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 (edited) Looks like his first DSO was for the Boer War(s) (image courtesy of Find My Past) Deleted, just re-viewed the image and noticed it was for a G M Heath Edited 27 June , 2022 by Allan1892 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 7 minutes ago, Allan1892 said: Looks like his first DSO was for the Boer War(s) (image courtesy of Find My Past) That rather looks like G M HEATH. Might this not be an older man as he has the rank of Major in the SA War = perhaps George's father who appears to have been a G H / George Henry HEATH [a typo perhaps?]?? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Just amended my post Mr M. (apologies all round for any misdirection) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 DSO citation (image courtesy of the London Gazette) Page 4820 | Supplement 30643, 19 April 1918 | London Gazette | The Gazette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Captain G Heath (of Macclesfield and Uppingham School) | War Imperial War Museums (iwm.org.uk) 3rd window from the eastsouth aisleSt James' ChurchArnsideSouth LakelandCumbriaLA5 0BJEnglandOS Grid Ref: SD 45844 78774Denomination: Church of England Memorial details Memorial type Window District South Lakeland Town Arnside County Cumbria Country England Commemoration First World War (1914-1918) Maker Shrigley and Hunt (Makers) Ceremony Dedicated Date: 13th September 1919 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 Seems George also got an OBE too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 8 minutes ago, Jay Hewitt said: Seems George also got an OBE too Recommendation for Award for Heath, George Noah Rank: Colonel Regiment: ... | The National Archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 53 minutes ago, jonbem said: Recommendation for Award for Heath, George Noah Rank: Colonel Regiment: ... | The National Archives Thank you !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Hewitt Posted 27 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 June , 2022 (edited) Just had a look on Ancestry seems George left for the USA in 1921 aboard the white star lines Celtic ironically a ship his brother travelled on pre ww1 he returned to the U.K. 10 years later Edited 27 June , 2022 by Jay Hewitt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 27 June , 2022 Share Posted 27 June , 2022 2 hours ago, Jay Hewitt said: Just had a look on Ancestry seems George left for the USA in 1921 aboard the white star lines Celtic ironically a ship his brother travelled on pre ww1 he returned to the U.K. 10 years later Actually I don't think he immigrated to the USA, as he was making frequent trips across the Atlantic by ship for most of the 1920's and 30's, as well as at least one aeroplane flight in 1946, all of which I suspect were work related. In the 1901 England and Wales census he is described as a silk manufacturer's apprentice, while 10 years later in the 1911 census he is married and a silk merchant throwster. He is variously described as a merchant, silk merchant, or silk throwster on his many landings in the USA. His marriage to Kate Lisette Smale was registered in Macclesfield in the third quarter of 1909, with at least three daughters born over the next decade, Thelma christened on 20 July 1910, Joyce christened on 28 May 1914, and Norah Lisette christened on 24 February 1920, all at St Thomas, Henbury, Cheshire, England. Brother Geoffrey was described as an electrical engineering student in the 1901 England and Wales census, and on arrival in the USA in January 1911 as a machinist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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