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It looks like the Royal Sussex Regiment, their collar insignia were similar:

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3 hours ago, Pat Atkins said:

It looks like the Royal Sussex Regiment, their collar insignia were similar:

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Yes I think you’re bang on correct Pat, that is the distinctive white ‘Roussillon plume’ earned by the 35th Regiment of Foot set vertically behind it.  The central order of the garter emblem originated with the old Sussex Militia with which the 35th merged in 1881.  The cross symbol came from the old 107th who they also joined with at the same time.

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I'm no expert, I'm afraid - as far as I know, the cap badge remained the same until the regiment disappeared (it was merged into The Queen's Regiment in the 60s). Having said that, there were minor variants such as economy issue, bi-metal issue, etc., which might perhaps help an expert date a particular badge. But I believe the basic design remained the same. Apart from the 5th Cinque Ports Battalion cap badge (below) which featured a cross rather than a star - from Frogsmile's post, I realise it must have been derived from the 107th's badge.

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Edit: you can see the same cap badge here in 1959 (image from Google):

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7 hours ago, Pat Atkins said:

I'm no expert, I'm afraid - as far as I know, the cap badge remained the same until the regiment disappeared (it was merged into The Queen's Regiment in the 60s). Having said that, there were minor variants such as economy issue, bi-metal issue, etc., which might perhaps help an expert date a particular badge. But I believe the basic design remained the same. Apart from the 5th Cinque Ports Battalion cap badge (below) which featured a cross rather than a star - from Frogsmile's post, I realise it must have been derived from the 107th's badge.

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Edit: you can see the same cap badge here in 1959 (image from Google):

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Same collar badge Pat but the cap badge in the 1959 photo is that of the Home Counties Brigade, whose chosen design was much derided as akin to ‘United Dairies’ Coronet logo. 

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6 hours ago, Romagne1918 said:

 Was this badge WW1 or WW2, or both?

Yes both world wars, although embroideries went through a heyday that statistically makes the earlier period more likely (but not definitive).

Unlike the cap badge the collar badge incorporated the insignia of all three of the constituent forming regiments, as mentioned.

The Royal Sussex Regiment is a good example of how the 1881 merger led to new cap insignia being designed on the basis of emblems used by the constituent forming units:

1.  Royal Sussex Light Infantry Militia = Order of the Garter from the Duke of Richmond**, plus the dark blue facings of a Royal regiment (1846).

2.  35th (Royal Sussex) Regiment of Foot = The Rouissillon Plume, Royal Facings (1832) and a star used by all infantry of the line at various points in history.

3. 107th (Bengal Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot (1861) = Maltese Cross, used since it’s previous existence as a infantry regiment (3rd Bengal European Regiment of Foot) of the Honourable East India Company.

**as a significant and long standing land owner in Sussex Richmond was also deeply involved with the 35th. 
 

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5 hours ago, Pat Atkins said:

Apart from the 5th Cinque Ports Battalion cap badge (below) which featured a cross rather than a star - from Frogsmile's post, I realise it must have been derived from the 107th's badge.

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Pat in the case of the Cinque Ports battalion, the badge that you posted is also an amalgam of constituent emblems, but adopted when the RVC unit became a Volunteer Battalion (VB) of the Royal Sussex in the late 1880s.  They were as follows:

1. The Maltese cross and central motif of the Cinque Ports RVC.

2. The Rouissillon Plume of the Royal Sussex Regiment (as a single emblem representing the whole).

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5 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Same collar badge Pat but the cap badge in the 1959 photo is that of the much Home Counties Brigade, whose chosen design was much derided as akin to Unigate Dairies. 

 

Good grief - my eyesight is getting worse! Thanks for the timely correction.

Edit: and for the Cinque Ports explanation

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