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Cpl 139312 J Allen RE 184/T LG CO


Richard Matlock
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Hello all , I am trying to research the above who received an MM in October 16 , I think the above means he was Ina tunnelling regiment but I don't know the best place to look for this , I have his MIC which shows him landing in France 14/10/14 as 58680 with the RFA before transferring to the RE 10/10/15 

Any information as always greatly received , I think he is entitled to an MID but that's as far as I have got so far 

Rich M 😀

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12 minutes ago, Richard Matlock said:

Hello all , I am trying to research the above who received an MM in October 16 , I think the above means he was Ina tunnelling regiment but I don't know the best place to look for this , I have his MIC which shows him landing in France 14/10/14 as 58680 with the RFA before transferring to the RE 10/10/15 

Any information as always greatly received , I think he is entitled to an MID but that's as far as I have got so far 

Rich M 😀

Hi Rich, I'm sure it's just a typo but the service number is 139312.

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20 minutes ago, Gunner 87 said:

Hi Rich, I'm sure it's just a typo but the service number is 139312.

Just to add to this Rich, this document lists James Allen, 139312, serving with the 184th Tunnelling Company. 

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Rich

I thought I had seen this name before when I was researching RE wounded in 1916. The papers for the Court of Enquiry can be found in the Service Record of John Blake 4845 Royal West Kent, who must have been attached to 184 TC since he is the first name on the above list. (Ancestry WO 363 Bla 90039 -90046). Cpl Allen makes a reference to not being Proto trained, this refers to the breathing apparatus used by trained men to rescue others in the tunnels. 

He also has a hospital admission on 15/03/1916 to 14 Field Ambulance (MH 106/18) as one of four men from 184 TC with gas poisoning. 

My notes tell me that other ranks are named in the WD of 184 TC but I no longer have a copy.

Brian

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Thanks all, I will look at the on line documents when I get a chance, from Howard Williamsons book it looks like the date of the Gazette would match up with a possible award from the Somme so the incident may be the key, has anyone any idea if his MID would be listed anywhere so I could again look at war diarys for a clue ? 

Thanks agin Rich M 😀

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From the war diary, it looks like on the 4th of June the tunnels were mined and cpl Allen dug himself and others out , is there anyway to link this action to the MM 

Rich M 

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Rich

The local papers for where he was from are your best bet. 

Brian

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Thanks, not sure where he is from as I don't have his service record 

Rich M 

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Rich

I had a look at the RE names in LG 29805 and found four more whose MM cards show that they were serving with 184 TC. All five MMs may have been for the same action. 

147627 F Clements, 132592 B Fletcher, 148507 J R Harvey and 139311 F Luke. 

Benjamin Fletcher is the only one with a Service Record. He was a miner from Barnsley. He was also admitted to 14 FA with gas poisoning on 19/03/1916, four days after J Allen and the other three. There are some Barnsley newspapers on the British Newspaper Library via FMP, I will have a look but perhaps someone may find a report of Benjamin's MM and post it. It might offer a clue.

Brian

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11 hours ago, Richard Matlock said:

Thanks, not sure where he is from as I don't have his service record 

Rich M 

Hi Rich. In both the Birmingham Daily Post and Western Daily Press dated 26th August 1916 he is listed as 'Wounded' ... interestingly

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Thanks both , getting closer !

Rich M 

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He is also named in a long list of RE wounded in the Official Casualty List in the Times 26/08/1916. As a rule it took four to six weeks from the event to the OCL. None of the other 184 TC MMs are named but there was a 148499 Dennison, H. Harry Dennison has a Service Record and his AF B 103 records that he was wounded (gas) on 16/07/1916 serving with 181 TC.

There may be a report about the MM of J Allen in the Western Mail if he enlisted in Cheltenham.

Brian

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As suggested by Brian I looked at the other RE names and found these two articles in The Scotsman and Sheffield Daily Telegraph 28th October 1916 regarding Military Medal recipients. Again, I'm afraid it doesn't take you a great deal further on.

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The full list of LG 29805 is in the Times 28/10/1916 p 3 and 4 under Bravery in the Field - Military Medal Awards. 

Brian

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On 14/05/2022 at 16:39, Richard Matlock said:

From the war diary, it looks like on the 4th of June the tunnels were mined and cpl Allen dug himself and others out , is there anyway to link this action to the MM 

Rich M 

Rich

In the June 1916 WD of 5 Div HQ GS it mentions that on 01/06 184 TC were working in K Sector and there is a good report of the action on 04/06 without mentioning the RE. There are also some reports, e g by the OC 13 Infantry Brigade attached to the WD. Worth a read. The WD has this sketch map in the March 1916 papers showing K 1 and K 2 and a French map dated October 1915 in the May papers.

The introduction of the MM is recorded in the Routine Orders of the A&QMG 15 Scottish Div dated 04/04/1916. The first batch of MMs I saw was in Routine Orders dated 25/05/1916, three men from the Cameron Highlanders and one from the Gordon Highlanders. They all were in LG 29701 08/08/1916. It is possible that some of the MMs for 184 TC mentioned earlier were retrospective awards.

Maps courtesy TNA WO 95/1513. Ancestry p 248 & 298.

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Thanks all , hopefully some of the ideas will pay off 

Rich M 😀

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